Saturday, October 12, 2019

Ignoring it does not make it go away......

75% of India’s electricity is generated by coal with huge cost to human health with approximately a million people dieing from respiratory illness’s a year.

All the wordy arguments and finger pointing about climate change is obscuring the changing economics and the subject that is deliberately overlooked by those batting for the denier side.....pollution.

You don’t have to be an Einstein to see that because of pollution  human health is at risk even with flue extractors and all the add ons that are making coal and oil uneconomical against renewables.

Coal burning also releases particulate matter, sulphur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury- thus damaging the health of many people around the world and yet the “developing countries” theme is a key part of the Rightwing argument against renewables and is trotted out with boring regularity.

In fact, the estimated costs of building new coal plants have reached $3,500 per kW, without financing costs, and are still expected to increase further. This would mean a cost of well over $2 billion for a new 600 MW coal plant when financing costs are included.

The cost per watt per solar installation (at this scale) will range based on several factors, such as available sunlight hours and location, but it's usually around $1/watt. Thus, a 1-megawatt solar farm would cost around $1 million to install which is $600 million for the same out put......these are US costings and will differ from country to country but the glaring gap remains.

This does not address the fact that one fuel is free and the other cost $39 per short ton delivered plus the diesel emissions getting it delivered and the cost of maintaining the railway infrastructure.....no contest I think.

The cost of windpower installation has also dropped dramatically and is now about $1,300,000 a megawatt.

After a trip to Madrid at the height of summer a couple of years ago where my eyes streamed and I had trouble breathing (thank god for bars with A/C) I become a pollution fascist and since then the left of centre government has banned fossil fuelled cars from the central city.



There is not one Indian city that is within the WHO guidlines on safe air so lets sell them some cheap Australian coal.



15 comments:

Mike said...

The one thing you are missing is solar is only available when the sun shines, coal plants run 24x7.

Solar is better than wind farms, which are a disaster from every perspective, but still require back up generation. Also a large scale solar farm is not environmentally friendly, nothing grows under it.

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Psycho Milt said...

The one thing you are missing is solar is only available when the sun shines, coal plants run 24x7.

Which is why there should be some battery storage and also some hydro or nuclear in the mix.

Also a large scale solar farm is not environmentally friendly, nothing grows under it.

Given that the best places for solar are deserts, not likely to be an issue. Also: in terms of what's not environmentally friendly, nothing about solar even appears on the same scale as coal.

Gustavo Frink said...

Nothing grows in a coal mine.
Nothing grows under a coal power station.
Nothing grows under a hydro plant.
Nothing grows under a sub station.

What was your point again?

The Veteran said...

Milt's clearly facing excommunication from the Greens with his advocacy for nuclear power plants. Nearly fell over backwards.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

The post is about pollution, not horticulture.... Any one care to address it.

alloy said...

You've made a great argument for nuclear power, not for supposed "renewables."

Psycho Milt said...

Milt's clearly facing excommunication from the Greens with his advocacy for nuclear power plants.

That and GE are areas where I tend to disagree with the Green Party. Environmentalists would say that we should focus on reducing our electricity usage rather than constantly building more generation capacity, but I don't think that idea's likely to get a lot of traction with voters...

Nuclear makes a lot of sense for places like India and China, also for shipping. The toxic waste it produces is a major environmental problem, but AGW is a more important one - lesser of two evils, basically.

NB: nuclear definitely doesn't make a lot of sense for NZ, given the expense involved and the risk of earthquakes or volcanoes causing a meltdown. Hydro's more appropriate here, if we can find some locations that haven't been set aside for conservation purposes.

Psycho Milt said...

You've made a great argument for nuclear power, not for supposed "renewables."

Huge investment required for nuclear plants and ridiculously long lead times for constructing them, if you want safe ones - which we do. Renewables are way easier to implement.

The Veteran said...

Milt 12.12 ... you mean China doesn't have earthquakes? Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_China.

But, having said that, your general premise is on the money.

Psycho Milt said...

More that China is a very big place so finding somewhere reasonably safe to put a nuclear power plant isn't the challenge that it would be here.

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alloy said...

"Huge investment required for nuclear plants and ridiculously long lead times for constructing them, if you want safe ones - which we do. Renewables are way easier to implement."


But "Renewables*" don't actually produce any meaningful amounts of energy.

*Hydro excluded, but like Nuclear, Hydro offers practical energy solutions and as such gets bogged down in environmental objectors.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Alloy .....China has 170 gigawatts of solar and growing by 60 GW a year....

21% of French domestic power is from renewables....and climbing as a couple of Nuke reactors are about to be shut down.....wake up and smell the coffee....great things are happening, Hydrogen powered buss and ships, cold fusion reactors will be with us in twenty years, tidal power is now coming on stream.

No good sitting back with the the rest of the rightie luddites and chanting "Can't, Can't, Can't.