Friday, October 11, 2019

C'MON CHRISTCHURCH ... GET A GRIP

Twas in Dunedin and Christchurch this week doing God's work.    My visit to Christchurch coincided with 'Tiny' Hill's funeral.   Huge numbers were there wanting to pay their respects to an All Black great and a senior Warrant Officer in the Army and, as expected, Tiny was accorded full military honours at the funeral.

It was a great disappointment to me that a radio shock jock sought to take issue with the fact that Tiny was accorded the traditional three volley salute over his coffin by the military.    He (and a number of supporting callers) bemoaned the fact that the three volley salute was inappropriate given the March Mosque shootings.

For c*********s people ... get a grip.   There is nothing to be said to condemn more what happened seven months ago but life (and death) goes on and to argue that a long standing military tradition of honouring fallen comrades should be cast aside against the alter of perceived political correctness (or just bloody mindlessness) does nothing to advance religious tolerance and respect.

What happened happened.   Learn from it and move on.

29 comments:

Paulus said...

Sad - I Have some doubts that Christchurch will ever move forward.
Remember for example that many many homeowners insured with a local market driven non capitalised mutual Insurance Company because it was the cheapest.

James said...
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The Veteran said...

James ... worse.

Anonymous said...

Well, if you waste your time listening to radio shockjocks you can expect to
hear similar stupid remarks. Shall I tell you something? If you take any notice
of these remarks you are equally s****d.
Fred 2

Anonymous said...

Paulus I doubt wether only CHRISTCHURCH people take the cheapest insurance rates possible.
A bit stupid to criticise people who are careful with their money.
I’m sure even people as smart as you clearly think you are , don’t research everything about their insurance companies , nor would they expect the biggest natural catastrophe in New Zealand’s history to wipe out a city.
Just stop being a dick Paulus

EH of D

James said...

Sorry Vet, I mistyped my comment. Yes, the whinging about the firing party is far, far worse. What an insult to a very good man.

My apologies,

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

EH of D

It was well known withing the industry for a long time that the premiums were cheap because the insurer failed to adequately reinsure. It also committed the cardinal sin of having too many eggs in one basket, namely Christchurch. So the company took two huge risks and lost on both of them. I don't recall the executives responsible for these actions facing any penalty.

It would not have been difficult to establish these simple truths, even for some of the dimwits who lived in Christchurch.

The Veteran said...

Fred2 ... I wasn't listening. This was relayed to me by other people who heard it and I'm commenting on that basis. I agree listening to talk-back radio can be injurious to ones health but its there for people to say what they think and I find it sad that people should think that way.

Anonymous said...

Firing of the volleys to honour the military dead is commonplace - they do it every ANZAC Day. People who complain about this have no sense of history or are just trolling. Either way, best to ignore them.
With regards to Chch, wasn't the major issue that a lot of people didn't have household insurance at all and EQC only paid out on land value for red zone?
Chris Morris

Anonymous said...

Had Tiny Hill received his final salute from an artillery piece those luvvies would be reaching for the smelling salts and crouching in a safe place.

Mick

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Good old talk back radio.

I well remember a Rotary dinner during the nineties when there was a kerfuffle about the fees charged for investment products.

Some one turned to me and said "Adolf this is all over talk back radio. It must be hurting your business, surely?"

'Well no. My clients are all intelligent people who don't listen to talk back radio.'

The table suddenly went all quiet.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

If we are to react every time a shock jock (silly name) opens his yap we might as well pack it in now.

Chris Morris...........we don't "honour" our dead....we remember them. Being killed in various painful ways is not an honour.

Anonymous said...

Egbut Still talking about things you know nothing about. It is honours.
http://www.rnzaa.org.nz/sites/all/files/Military%20Funerals%2C%20Mil%20Rights%20at%20Pte%20Funerals.pdf
Chris Morris

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

They can call it what they like .....I call it remembering. The military have a vested interest in encouraging an honourable death.

Still can't make a point without being snarky Morris?

Anonymous said...

Egbut. It is calling you out because as so often, it seems the rest of the world is out of step with you. You can call it what you like, but the official documentation calls it honouring the dead. That is why ANZAC Day is run as a military funeral.
https://medalsreunitednz.co.nz/honouring-the-fallen/
Chris Morris

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

And that is why ANZAC should not be run as a military funeral. It should be a day of rememberance. Men died horrible lingering deaths on battle fields all over the world with some cursing their God, King and country not to mention politicians.
There is nothing to honour, only to remember and learn.

When you have carried your dead pal out of a firefight get back to me and we will talk.

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... on days of remembrance we remember he dead. At funerals we honour the person and that is right and proper.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Well said.....and remember how and why they are dead.

Anonymous said...

Egbut Seeing as the last NZ death in Vietnam was in 1971 when I was 14, I didn't get involved in any action where deaths occurred. As I post under my own name and you don't, we have only your word you were there.
The volley at Tiny Hill's funeral, and he died of old age, was to honour his military service. Same with many other ex-military men. My dad qualifies, but I know he doesn't want it. If you actually knew the history, rather than just making it up, you would know that it was a deliberate policy on both sides of the Tasman to run Anzac Day, particularly the Dawn Service, as a military funeral rather than as a day of remembrance like Britain does for Armistice Day. But that would upset your little bubble wouldn't it?
Chris Morris

The Veteran said...

Chris ... Egbut served in Vietnam. I know, I commanded him. He was a good soldier who did his duty well ... end of story.

Egbut and I don't see eye to eye on some issues but I respect his views ... he's earned that respect.

George said...

Brother in law served with him
Good bloke

Anonymous said...

Veteran Ok I accept your word that he is a veteran with firefight experience. Doesn't change the rest of what I said
Chris Morris

RosscoWlg said...

Don't give us that bullshit Eggie, carrying your dead mate out makes you a expert on nothing, and gives you no special privileges, except your own self respect.

If you have to make a thing of it then clearly you have issues.

What you did is nothing compared to most NZ serviceman who served in a whole variety of wars. Vietnam was a side show compared to WW1 and WW2.

You were the one who sneered at my wifes uncle who went ashore at DDay as an 18 year engineer before the main troops and wrote about in unpublished memoir we have.

So shut the fuck up about it.... you're boring! Did you earn a double VC... thought not.

Most readers are sick to death of you making an arse of yourself....

RosscoWlg said...

Oh and by the way I grew up with the Vietnam War, I did not agree with it but I respected and still respect anyone who served there!

Anonymous said...

An interesting conversation, if a little heated.
I broadly agree with Chris on this.
I come from a background of no military service, and my ancestors were either too young or old for both of the World Wars.
We usually attend ANZAC day as a mark of respect for the fallen who died for our country.

Oddball

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Finally found you Chris....keep up the good work.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Chris+Morris/Millie+Elder-Holmes/Tribute+Ride+for+Connor+Morris/5mK_aO6GrGW

Joe Hill said...

And that right there, Oddjob, is the problem. ANZAC soldiers died for King and Empire. There was no threat to either nation in WW1. The sequel was pretty much the same, except for the Aussies in the Pacific. Fought to defend the Poms who then shafted us by joining the Common Market, almost bankrupted NZ.

There is no honour in war, only death and destruction.

Anonymous said...

Oh how witty Egburt - not. There is also a chemist in Picton, a reporter down south and at least one criminal with the same name. Even my local doctor has two of us. It is about par for the course for you. On the wrong side of facts with your opinions, so you go for ad homs.
Chris Morris

Noel said...

We will remember them.
Officialdom hasn't been able to change the ode.