Monday, September 16, 2019


For all those downstream and in the waters path .... might be prudent to get to high ground.

Of course for the Melons and Labour that is a faraway-tree concept: they think they are standing on the High Ground, only the stupid Plebians don't see it.

For the uninitiated the Blyton series has some relevance to Wellington c2019.

You choose who might be Moonface, Silky the Fairy, Dame  Washalot,  The Saucepan Man,  The Angry Pixy and Mr Whatzisname.

While The Liar scandal around The "Sex Pest" has not gone away - and that is the eight days - another little drama involving mushrooms, compost and altered lighting is beginning to expand beyond the hot house.

As if Genter has not produced sufficient doubts as to her suitability for high office - with her letter to Twyford about her current squeeze's employers and dreams to force all but the Presidium members onto public transport - she then went on Peter William's show to talk about the elephant just outside the door; her price-balancing for EVs. She just didn't get what Williams was on about, still clutching to the meme that we must cease with the fossil fuel love affair.

The Hosk is also on the case, and an increasing number of doubters are wondering; where will the millions of dead Batteries go to as a final resting place?

It is hard to find anyone who does not understand the serious danger to children and animals who ingest a little hearing aid/small toy battery, exposing the toxic waste to gastric juices. Well EV batteries are a bit bigger - sort of a gazillion times bigger in fact - weighing in at a nice, round half-a-TONNE. Yes, 250 000 times bigger!

Half-a-tonne of toxic rare metals and compounds that can spontaneously self-combust, along with poisoning every thing they contact during their decay.

Not forgetting that the four main components of the Tesla triumph all come from third world countries where the environment and the people have almost zero value to the modern Western concept of societal norms.

So why worry about the coming electricity-supply infrastructure headaches? They will pale into insignificance when the mountains of toxic waste - after eight years of use, the life of such batteries - looms out of the fog.


Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Batteries that power electric cars (and hybrids, for that matter) can be recycled. For decades, the few electric vehicles that were on the road were powered by lead-acid batteries. The latest models, with their lighter weight and longer range, use lithium-ion batteries, just like laptops and cell phones. In either case, the batteries that power electric cars can be recycled.

In the case of the older-technology lead-acid batteries, 96 percent of the materials in the battery -- including the nasty lead -- is recovered. To compare, only 38 percent of the material in glass bottles is recovered in the recycling process. They can also be recharged and reused before being recycled. Hybrid cars currently on the road, like the Toyota Prius, use nickel metal hydride batteries, which can be dismantled and recycled in much the same way.

When lithium-ion batteries reach a recycling plant, there are two ways to pulverize them. If they are completely without a charge, they're simply shredded so that the metal components, like copper and steel, can be easily sorted out. If the batteries could still possibly have a charge, though, they're frozen in liquid nitrogen and smashed to frozen bits (cool!). The liquid nitrogen is so cold, the batteries can't react, so the smashing is safe. And probably fun. Then the metals are separated out for reuse.

gravedodger said...

Very helpful Bacon now inform us all what plans Genter has "in place" to deal with the batteries she is hell bent on delivering to the New Zealand Environment.
On Williams "magic Talk" last thursday it was anything but Magic, calamity Jane more accurately..

I am not stupid Bacon but I do not think moving the Half tonne battery that has lost its ability to reach the next charging station be "re programmed" to keep the beer cold in a fridge, disingenuous is the kindest I can come up with.

There is no policy of any degree to cope with the threat ( not admitting that threat will not solve it) and there are the beginnings of the problem here and now.

So thanx but no thanx I will go with Troy Bowker on the basis he does make a case, not just spouting the pardy lines wherever they come from or who provides them.

I rode a nissan hybrid in Auckland over ten years ago and the Prius has been here for at least twelve years, well beyond the eight years widely excepted as nominally viable life range.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Lithium car batteries weigh in the region of 250 Kgs..not half a ton and if you knew your electric tables you would not have made that statement about keeping beer cold. If you strap 20 used batteries together for a solar system in acts as balancer and storage unit an will do so for many years as there is no need for the sudden grunt of aceleration.

The number of electric cars in NZ does not justify a recycling plant so they will probaly be bunged in a container and sent to OZ.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Just for you is a quantum leap from lead acid batteries to this ...the hydrogen powered bus is now in service in four French cities.

By the time you finish compaining about one form of technology another has overtaken it...we live in le temps magique....non

Psycho Milt said...

So thanx but no thanx I will go with Troy Bowker on the basis he does make a case...

As with the AGW-denier articles that people here link approvingly to, he doesn't make a "case" so much as an AGW-denier propaganda piece. His Herald article is behind a paywall, but based on the quotes from it posted on Kiwiblog:

1. He attempts to blame poor working conditions in the Third World on electric vehicles rather than their actual causes, which is dishonest.

2. He says the average EV battery weighs half a tonne, ie 500 kg. Teslas have batteries that size to give them their long range - a Nissan Leaf battery is under 330 kg.

3. He claims the batteries last a maximum of 8 years, which is a lie. Manufacturers provide warranties for their batteries for up to 8 years, the actual lifespan is a lot longer and could be up to 20 years depending on how well you look after it.

4. Like you, he claims the batteries would be a toxic waste problem, when they're actually recyclable.

The rest of his claims, like Genter believing people will remove old EV batteries to power their fridges, are just plain silly.

In short: more AGW-denial promoted by National's spin doctor.