Monday, April 15, 2019

Generating Degeneracy: The Plebs

Degeneracy - "the state of being degenerate", 
Degenerate itself has several definitions, of which this seems the most appropriate to this article:
People have always complained about how their societies have degenerated, going back to at least to Socrates:
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
Still, it's more of a problem when those in middle and late age are the ones that start showing signs of descending into a corrupt and vicious state.

Let's say that you're someone like the guy pictured below: an older gentlemen just sitting in a Starbucks cafe. You're wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat, and not just for kicks like some high school kid, but because you're actually a Trump supporter.

In California! And not just somewhere like the Central Valley or the North of the state, where men in cowboy hats still drive their pickups to honky tonk bars, just two hours drive north of San Francisco. No, you're sitting in Palo Alto, but even so, in a normal society this should mean nothing.

And then, out of nowhere, a complete stranger comes up to  you and starts screaming at you about how you're a "racist" and a "Nazi" and how you "hate brown people."  This creature is a woman and she's very, very angry at you. She starts telling the other customers and staff that they need to rise up against you. When you retreat outside, she follows you to the parking lot, yelling at you that she will leave you with "nowhere to hide". And it turns out that she means it, later posting pictures she took of you on Facebook, describing all the above, vowing to find out where you live and work:
“I am going to organize protests where he works and make him feel as unsafe as he made every brown person he met today.”
Because you're wearing a hat she really does not like.

I'm not a psychologist but if you're triggered into a towering, screaming ragefest by a hat with an innocuous political slogan on it, then I don't think the hat is the problem. Spending some time in a nice, quiet, padded room containing no sharp objects and lots of pictures of puppies and kittens might work. Perhaps even a brief stay in a psychiatric clinic with some good drugs? Although since she lives in California that's probably redundant.

Punching Back Twice As Hard
As some famous US President once said.

Turns out that putting all this on her Facebook and Twitter accounts was not the brightest thing to do. Several days later, she was fired from her accounting job at Gryphon Stringed Instruments, after they ran into a shitstorm of bad Yelp reviews based on her posting. Gryphon manager Matt Lynch:
“What she said in no way reflects Gryphon or how the company feels,  It’s a big shock to us.”
Richard Johnston owns Gryphon and said that he decided to fire Mankey - a friend since early school days - not because of the firestorm, but because her bullying actions were
“not indicative of how we conduct ourselves at the shop.” 
Why you could take all those words straight out of the mouth of the Australian Rugby Union CEO! Except that this woman went to a level that Folau never has.

The woman's name is Rebecca Parker Mankey, she's a 46 year old lifetime resident of Palo Alto, and this is her FB picture:
But is this "punching back" really going to lead anywhere good? On the one hand it's nice to see a Leftist thug face some real consequences of precisely the type that she was so eager to dish out. On the other hand, was what she was doing also free speech? What if she'd said the same stuff in a quiet manner and similarly on her FB and Twitter accounts?

As for the man, it turns out that he's a 74 year old Jew who gave only his first name, Victor, to KTVU when they interviewed him. During that interview he still had the hat but was wearing his kippah. He had some interesting comments as he confirmed Mankey's story:
“It’s called Trump derangement syndrome: people acting crazy. If you can’t tell the difference between a hat that says ‘Make America Great Again’ and a Nazi helmet or a Ku Klux Klan hat, I’d say you’re deranged. 
What’s happened around here is that people get the idea that if you’re for Trump you are an evil person.” 
There is no intelligent dialogue. People watch right-wing websites and left-wing websites, There’s no intelligent discussion at all. There used to be some sense of two political parties.”
And this is not an uncommon event. There was the guy in Texas who stole a MAGA hat off a kid's head in a restaurant and threw a drink in his face. There was the woman who got pepper-sprayed by some Antifa loser because she was wearing a "Make Bitcoin Great Again" hat. A woman in Boston who assaulted a MAGA hat wearing guy. The last case had some juicy, delicious irony as it turned out that she was a Brazilian national who'd been living in the US illegally for 25 years, so got handed to ICE for deportation. And then there's this full-on shitstorm in a Post Office, recorded by Paloma Zuniga, a dual US-Mexican citizen who happens to be a Trump supporter and was wearing a MAGA hat. It must have given the short-haired, shorts-and-sock wearing white woman in the video great pleasure to call a Mexican a racist. 

On one level it's all minor shit, but I don't recall similar stuff during Obama's two terms, or even during Bush's Presidency, despite the hatred unloaded on both men in the Internet world. With Trump though such incidents have appeared and have steadily ramped up - and these ones are just the incidents recorded or that led to arrests, meaning there are many more. It's no longer happening at protests but in private life, and it's indicative of larger things afoot in the USA that don't lead anywhere good.

It looks like the New Left phrase of the late 1960's, "the personal is political", has morphed from a rationale for defending the source of politics into a rationale for attack.


Andrei said...

Socates of course live in the Golden age of Athens just as it was collapsing in the face of the Spartan onslaught

The powers that be made him drink hemlock for corrupting youth and "impiety"

In other words he was non PC in modern terms and said things the elites of the day didn't want to hear.

That quote actually might have a narrative deeper than it seems

David said...

Oh diddums

When you wear a MAGA hat your are acknowledging support for someone who:

Is as racist as they come.
Believes he is above the law. He isn't.
Believes to few children are being ripped from the arms of their parents.
Thinks throwing rolls of paper towels at Puerto Ricans is hurricane relief.
Still wants to execute four men, not because they committed a crime, but because they are black.
Has put at risk the lives of US legislators.
Has aligned himself with the worst dictators on the planet.
Has used his office to secure greater wealth and privilege for himself and his corrupt, thieving children.

If you're an American and you wear a MAGA cap you deserve every piece of shit that comes your way.

Wayne Mapp said...


You are showing a good dose of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

I everyone followed your approach the US would pretty quickly descend into civil war, or at least huge number of personal violent confrontations. It seem s you think that anyone opposed to Trump voters can physically attack someone who votes Trump, or expresses support for Trump.

Most people know that is a pretty stupid. As the woman found out. By going so public and being so extreme, she ended up loosing her job. A warning to anyone there are limits to what is acceptable in civil society.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David, why are you talking so much about Obama?

gravedodger said...

Needs a ring in her nose to stop her rooting, works for most pigs.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

None so blind as those who wont see......wake up Chunter you are sharing a platform with someone who posts some really offensive cartoons ridiculing the Democrats and no doubt there are equally offensive cartoons about the Republicans somewhere out there.

330 million people and you are trying to make a drama about someone who gets his knocked off or called names FFS.
Try wearing your Trump hat on polling day....

I bet you miss Mayor Daley and the Chicago riots....lots of hats knocked off there.

My personal opinion is that anyone who wears a political hat or T shirt is asking to be confronted and the only reason more Democrats are not assaulted is that they are too intelligent to wear crass slogans.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Oooooooh, Ledgut doesn't like cartoon. Neither do Islamists.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Adolf..if you have the moral turpitude to insult me on your blog and then delete my retort then I would appreciate it if you do not reply to my posts with your childish one liners.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ledgut, if you are too dumb to know whose blog it is on which you lavish your particular brand of noxious bile, you need to visit Specsavers.

Gerald said...

On Adolfs Friday thingy he has a warning for contributors. But on any other posts he ignores his own rules.
Name for that?

Tom Hunter said...

More along these lines - they're coming every day now - Luke O'Neil, in a recent piece in The Boston Globe, said that he regretted that when he waited on Bill Kristol at a restaurant 10 years ago, he did not insult him and spoil his food with urine and blood. Ironically, Kristol is one of President Trump's greatest enemies, but fifteen years ago the Left hated hime because of his support for the Iraq invasion.

O'Neill then responded to criticism of this stance - which he extended to Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen in the present - with this comment:

"People who carry out policies of ethnic cleansing or cheerlead for disastrous wars leading to tens of thousands of suffering or dead should not expect to be able to show their faces in public anymore thank you for understanding this basic premise."

And here's our local version of this "thinking":
If you're an American and you wear a MAGA cap you deserve every piece of shit that comes your way.
Pacifist actions leading to violence. :)

Still, good to know that David's right-on with all this and never thinks it could bite him or his Far Left mates on the bum.

I'm sure that's what Mankey thought too. But based on David's reaction and these new rules, getting her fired is not enough: she needs to be be hunted down and have the rest of her life destroyed also, ammiright?

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Luke O'neil, Billy Crystal...who the hell are these people and why should their opinions have any credence in NZ....they are just bloody opinions....facts man..facts