Friday, April 5, 2019

COURTS MARTIAL BECKONS

It absolutely beggars belief that there is a video circulating of British soldiers from the 3rd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment, participating in target practice where they shoot at a picture of Jeremy Corbyn, the UK Labour Party leader.

I agree completely with Dan Jarvis, Labour MP and himself a decorated officer from the Parachute Regiment, in describing the video as shameful and unacceptable and going against the standards and values of the British Army.    I think he was restrained in his comment.

I have no time at all for Corbyn, the man nor his policies, but that is beside the point.    He is the Prime Minister in waiting and must be treated as such.   Those responsible for this totally irresponsible incident must face military justice.    There is no place for them in the military.

27 comments:

Tom Hunter said...

Unacceptable. There has been the occasional Prime Minister in the past where one could have almost excused the troops from doing something like this - and I'm thinking in particular of Lloyd George in WWI.

But no. Just NO! And these Courts Martial results have to be seen and understood by the rest of the UK military also, in the same manner that soldiers used to be made to observe a firing squad. Not so harsh a penalty in this case, but perhaps dishourable discharge?

Otherwise you're well on the way from turning a professional Army into little more than the sort of thugs who regularly run coups in South America and elsewhere.

Mind you, given everything else that's going on in "Great" Britain, perhaps this is to be expected. One more harbinger of a Banana Republic future?

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Chunter...do you actually think about what you say or do you just press a button? If you had the faintest Idea of the court martial procedure you would retract your post.

For a bloke in his sixties you are awfully dim.

David said...

Why should this surprise anyone? The Power Apparatus of the State (Police, Military, Spooks) all have a right wing authoritarian mentality.

And isn't this just another example of people being denied their right to Freeze Peach?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David, Off topic but how's your mate Weatheril looking in Port Augusta today?

RosscoWlg said...

David, Off topic. Read that article in The Australian about the mess "Green" Energy is in South Australia?

"South Australia required 100 separate interventions in the 2017-18 year for gas generators to provide supply and keep its system stable, compared with just eight in the previous year, Australian Energy Market Operator data provided to the AEMC shows" It appears to be a trend picking up pace, with South Australia’s generators in total receiving 210 directions since June 30, 2017""

Shit storm alert!.

David said...

Adolf, instead of threadjacking, how about you create your own post? Are you still an author here? Then I could show you are full of shit, again, and you can delete my comments, again.

Kimbo said...

Both Harold Wilson in the UK, and Bill Rowling here in NZ were Labour Prime Ministers who were allegedly undermined and destabilised by reactionary ultra-right wing elements in the military and intelligence communities.

But yeah, shooting at a target of Jeremy Corbyn is just not on, and a shocking action by an institution committed to upholding the Crown’s rule via democratic government. Instead, they should have put his visage on the sacks they use for bayonet practice./ 😂

RosscoWlg said...

You are right Kimbo.. they should have used the sacks and run the bayonets right up his jacksie.

I guess 18 year old squaddies having a bit of fun has gone out of fashion in the UK or should they have used an image of Allah?

Tom Hunter said...

@EggButt
Well as a Vet perhaps you should enlighten us about Courts Martial procedure and exactly how that screws up my post to the extent I can withdraw it. Which I can of course.

Meantime, do you have any response to make to the following comment from your mate David?

The Power Apparatus of the State (Police, Military, Spooks) all have a right wing authoritarian mentality.

Take your time. I have to get back to Mrs Maisel.

do svidaniya :)

The Veteran said...

David ... to respond. Can't speak for the Police and/or the Spooks (as you so grandly put it) but the military are there to carry out the wishes of the government of the day. No ifs, buts or maybes. Don't like what they're doing and you can of course resign; otherwise you soldier on to the best of your ability.

Mid career and I happened to be appointed Military Assistant to a Labour Party Minister of Defence. We got on well although I suspect he sensed I wasn't in his tent politically. Arthur Faulkner was an ex WW2 fighter pilot and a really top guy with the interests of the military at heart ... can't say that about many of his successors. Travelled SE Asia with him ... Singapore, Malaysia Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia. I will always remember this little homily from him ... 'In politics your best friends are on the other side of the House ... at least you know where they stand ... on your side the knives are always being sharpened waiting for you to f**k up'.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Veteran....Not a good look but I'm afraid they guilty of nothing more than stupidity in filming themselves.

The last time this subject cropped up was our people writing inflammatory massages on aircraft ordnance.

It is not a courts martial offence or even an offence (Sorry Chunter) except for the catch all "Conduct prejudicial to good order."

Why is it the generation that that spawned social media have no idea how to handle it?

Corbyn doesn't have any policies. He has discussion points. It works like this. The Queen, or perhaps one of the corgis says that there is to be an election. Several groups of quite sinister people go into separate rooms and cobble together and then decobble policies that form a party manifesto.

After a appropriate amount of time a little man comes running out with a six inch nail and hammers the manifesto to the wall for the world and it's wife to ponder over.
Even Corbyns wildly popular initiative on renationalising the railways is a discussion point and may never happen so we wait for the corgi to stamp it's foot.

Chunter....British soldiers made to watch firing squads.....maybe in the 17th or 18th century perhaps....Ill just put that in the stupid basket along with the thug remark.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Those inflammatory massages must have been a very hot item for those on R and R.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Well spotted.......I don't use spell check and I never use sat nav unless it is big cities. Call me old fashioned but I like to exercise the little grey cells.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Received an email reminding me of a large ladies bra and a Stirling at West Melton and herding sheep with a Bren gun at Tekapo...no animals were hurt in the making of this story.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

One herds cattle and musters sheep.

Anonymous said...

Shep...herd. Shepherding, Shepherder. Back to 100% wrong

Noel said...

You say tomato I say temartoe. You forgot roundup.

Gerald said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KFuaG_jyctw

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Veteran....as you seem to have the odd chat with Chunter off line can you ask him why he talks like he has a corkscrew rammed up his arse.

David said...

Adolf, 155 years in Oz and you still don't understand it.

Sheep are herded. Utes are mustered.

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... s19 of the UK Armed Forces Act 2006 provides for a term of imprisonment of up to two years for a member of the armed forces convicted of 'conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline'.

Yes, it is a catch-all and at the bottom end of the scale the matter would be dealt with 'summarily' i.e. by the soldiers Commanding Officer. At the more serious end (and I put this incident at the serious end) a Commanding Officer has the option of remanding the person for trial by Courts Martial ... it is only a Courts Martial that can award imprisonment.

A soldier sentenced to imprisonment (not to be confused with 'detention' which is served at the MCTC Colchester) is automatically dismissed from the service with disgrace.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Any commanding officer of the Para's who charged these blokes would last about 5 minutes
fine words will be spoken and and quick TOD in Brunei or Belize beckons before it drifts out of the public memory. Scale of seriousness 1 to 10.....3.

Scale of seriousness in being stupid 1 to 10......10

No comment on thugs and firing squads???

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... I suspect it won't be the CO of the Para's who makes the call. I'd be very surprised if the investigation wasn't in the hands of the RMP. It's political and a matter of public interest and will be treated as such.

Not much I can say about firing squads. My understanding is that the last British serviceman to be executed by firing squad met his fate 101 years ago.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Nope ....you wont hear another thing about it. As far as we are concerned they could have been given a medal or shot at dawn in front of an admiring audience...eh Chunter.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Update....clean military records, no right wing connections. They are a part of the diplomatic protection unit who have photo's of all high profile people around the range. What it did not show was the photo of Trump.

Tom Hunter said...

Note to self:
Sarcasm does not work on the Internet.

Andrei said...

Monty Python could not have done it better