Wednesday, January 9, 2019

MORE ON ROAD SAFETY.




Not all who read  or just casual visitors have any wish to be exposed to the too often vitriolic comments meted out here from some too closed minded to actually address matters in posts and comment with civility so they avail themselves of my email,  available in my profile.

some feed back.

With so many modern vehicles and some  vehicles advanced in years having colour that in gloomy light and even sometimes in better light, blend in to the greys of road surface and surrounds, why do we not have a regulation for all moving vehicles to be showing lights as a minimum
For a while I drove a Saab,  mid eighties manufacture that had some state of the art safety features that included as was the norm for Scandi vehicles,  head lights illuminating with ignition switch.
Most motor cycles  use headlights either on auto or manual to make their presence more visual.
I think around the seventies oil shocks this was mooted for all road traffic but some mentally deficient Nat Transport Minister poo pooed such a move because it would hike the energy requirements by  a minuscule degree, in fact much less than extra consumption from aggressively driven units.
No matter,  since that Saab in the nineties our family and moi  have all adopted headlights on when moving on the road as normal procedure, in fact it is now somewhat deja vu as The "Trailblazer" (cough cough), (Colorado) seven seater tow vehicle has auto lights as standard and  only 30 years post Saab.

Second with so many motorway, expressway and other road upgrades including a practice to place a fence type barrier close to the left hand carriageway that limits , sometimes even precludes emergency stopping on the shoulder. I cant help wondering if smooth verges with safe stopping opportunity for vehicles that inadvertently exit the left lane, would not be a better option.

The third point raised and it is a common problem imho,  plantings on traffic islands and centers of roundabouts that limit visual scanning for entering vehicles, particularly for low slung roadsters etc.  Even Swmbo's nearly 20yo Xantia has ones behind close to the road surface.
Of course there will always be the impaired drivers who still have to come to understand what that dinky little lever is behind the steering wheel, the one that clicks in a nice rhythmical metronome like sound that could give an indication of possible manoeuvres by that other vehicle.


21 comments:

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Until you address the root cause of the second highest road death rate in the OECD you are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I take an interest as a very good friend was killed in a one vehicles accident just north of Ashburton. He run out of road on a curve that his driver underestimated and was not cambered...........the road killed him, not his headlights or paint job.

RosscoWLG said...

No Bacon the road did not kill him.

He made a poor judgement and speed killed him, or rather the stopping part of speed did that, the road design was clearly a contributing factor.

I would agree with you though there are a lot of poorly designed roads in New Zealand that is why you must drive carefully.

However there are a lot of good things happening on NZ roads, especially with National. You only need to look north of Wellington.

The sensible thing would be to continue this highway, 2 lanes both directions to Sanson/Bulls and beyond to Hunterville as it is easy going country.

But I believe the morons who run NZTA in cahoots with the bunch of losers running the country and going to stop it at Foxton and are building a bridge with only one lane in either direction.

As mentioned elsewhere the highway needs to be pushed through to Whangarei as a matter of urgency.

In my view funded all this funded by a reduction in the degree of welfare (haha) guns and butter.

Wiggo

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

".....a curve that his driver underestimated and was not cambered....."

Your friend's driver killed him.

What was the speed limit?
Was the driver expeeding the seed limit?
Was there an advisory speed warning on the curve?
Was the curve on SH1?
Had the driver been drinking?
Was your friend wearing a seat belt?
Did the driver survive?

Anonymous said...

Regarding motorcycles with the headlights always on.
This came about because Australia wanted to be 'keen to be seen' about doing something about safety. There was never any research done prior to the law change, and it has been a bone of contention ever since.
New Zealand gets mostly Australian spec motorcycles.
Interestingly, people have always spotted police motorcycles very readily (or gang members for that matter), which belies the fact that drivers quickly spot things that are dangerous to them.

Regarding Nobacon, I am sorry for your loss, but I agree with other commentators. The road was not at fault, it's the responsibility of the driver to drive accordingly for the weather and road conditions.

Oddball

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Oddball

I'd be interested in seeing some evidence for your seemingly dubious observations about Australian laws concerning motorcycle headlights. Road rules are the preserve of individual states, not the federal government, so I find it difficult to believe all states colluded in some political conspiracy.

Having driven many hundreds of thousands of miles on Australian bush roads, main highways, freeways and city streets I can assure you many vehicles with headlights off are difficult to see during the day until it is almost too late. Especially dark coloured cars on black bitumen on a cloudy day.

I'd support a law requiring ALL vehicles to have their headlights on at all hours.

RosscoWLG said...

And while Egbut lambastes our driving record I see over on KiwiBlog NZ is rated 4th on the democracy index while his beloved France is down at 29, slightly worse than the US.

I guess they have stuff to work on, as we do, and we are working on Shane Jones so that should raise us a few more points in a year or so!

Anonymous said...

All vehicles need to comply with Australian design Rules after 1989 as per the link below (paragraph 3)

https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicles/design/adr_online.aspx

It seems however that the requirement for compulsory lights on has since been dropped as per the links below, as it seems that hi vis jackets are the go.
the arguments against headlights always been on is mentioned briefly.

https://netrider.net.au/threads/headlights-required-to-be-on.183527/

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02294


Oddball

Anonymous said...

A good example of poor visibility planning is the Orchard Rd roundabout at Christchurch airport. There is so much vegetation and so MANY direction signs that it is impossible even in a regular car to see approaching traffic until the last few meters as you proceed. Not everyone is a careful driver, so I am always very cautious as I pass through. Indeed an example of poor road design.
MarcW

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Oddball

Thank you for those references.

Vehicle design rules ain't road rules and each state has variations on some rules. Very confusing.

From the comments at the first link, do I understand it is in fact compulsory in NZ for motorbike headlights to be on during the day? Cant find any reference on the net.


Anonymous said...

As far as I know, it's never been compulsory to have the headlight on at all times in NZ.

No manufacturer builds motorcycles specifically for NZ legislation, as the market is too small, which is why we used to get bikes designed for the Australian market by default.

Oddball

RosscoWLG said...

I have to grit my teeth but Snowflake(the guy who put twat into Twittersphere) made me look at the NZ Transport Govt Site where with thanks to NZTA there are a lot of statistics.

I owe NZTA an apology as they are victim of NZ MSM. I cant post the graph unless I ask Adolf nicely (Adolf ??) but you can look at the stats this way with a base of 1990

1. Car ownership flat from 2008 to 2012
2. Car ownership from 2013 to 2018 rising sharply with economic recovery
3. Road deaths and days in hospital begin to climb with rising car ownership (obviously)
4.Deaths per 100,000 people and deaths per 10,0000 vehicles are still lower than 2008, .99 or less than 1 per 100,000 people and 7.9 per 10k vehicles (1.1 and 8.6, 2008)
5. There is no stats on km travelled but I suspect that would show and even greater improvement over 2008

So conclusion yes lets carry on with the sensible road safety stuff
1. Better young driver training
2. Lights on on the open road
3. better main highways as mentioned previously by moi
4.Tough policing on recidivists and drunk driving ( this would mean redundancy or straight termination of some soft cock judges)
5. Keep improving signage on minor roads
6. Cats eyes and other stuff on middle and side of roads etc
7. Motorcyclists are a problem area need new thinking here
8. Pedestrian stats looks to me like bottom of the gene pool argument so no changes needed here
9. Yep few more roundabouts
10. Open road speeds increased to 110 kph - 120kph on highways approved for such speeds

Anhhooo here is the link to NZTA site, thanks NZTA

https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Monthly-Road-Crash-Statistics/d813aba08e/2018-08-August.pdf

Cheers
Wiggo (Right to the Bone)

Snowflake said...

Hey, some ideas from the public intellectual! Pity most of them are shit.

1. Hard to know what you’re talking about, but research indicates anti-skid training etc increases crash rates (look it up)
2. No evidence this is effective and increases petrol consumption hitting the poor whom you care so much about
3. Meh, obvious
4. It’s already pretty tough, but you can pay more taxes for more prisons if you wanna
5. Signage? Jesus.
6. Yep, that was my suggestion
7. Yep, I pointed that out, thanks.
8. You’re an idiot.
9. Whatever, you’re a true innovator aren’t you?
10. This would increase the road toll significantly. I thought you were seriously attempting to come up with ideas to reduce the road toll? Right wingers don’t like reality do they?

2 out of 10 with marks off for cheating. Now do some actual research and come back with improved suggestions.

Andrei said...
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Andrei said...

"I'd support a law requiring ALL vehicles to have their headlights on at all hours."

Most if not all modern cars have "Daytime Running Lights" (DRLs) which are an independant system from the headlights, which come on with the ignition and are explicitly designed to provide high visibility rather than lighting your way ahead on dark rainy nights

All the safety features of modern cars, which have significantly lowered the road toll BTW, have begun as options and then migrated to become standard features

It is engineers not politicians who solve the problems beause you cannot legislate against human stupidity

There are of course profiles of those most likely to be involved in or cause serious accidents and those that match those profiles are not the most law abiding citizens as a rule

RosscoWLG said...

My point 8 was above your pay grade in the humour department, I bet you walk to work to Snowflake Central, so I'll repeat it for your benefit, the only contributor with a qualification in Media Studies 101

8. Pedestrian stats looks to me like bottom of the gene pool argument so no changes needed here.

Cheers
Wiggo (Right to the Bone)

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Fell abut laughing at Wiggo's point 10....Let's start with post one.

40% of NZ STATE HIGHWAYS are classed as two star meaning that they were built for conditions that existed 50 years ago, curves to sharp, badly cambered for speed limits, which lead to head ons, deep ditches and badly placed poles at danger zones.

Roads classed as two star (international classification) have an maximum speed limit of 80kph in the EU.

Yes there will always be places through geographical conditions that will never be made completely safe but but the speed limit is reduced to 50kph and usually backed up with speed camera.

34% of all NZ deaths are caused by loss of control, the highest factor of them all.
Good roads mitigate loss of control an are more kindly to the human condition not to mention mechanical failure.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

And talking of loss of control....it may be drink, it may be drugs but a pound to peanut he came out of the bend fishtailed and lost control. The trouble taking unbanked curves at speed is that when you wheels go over the centre line and hit the opposite camber you lose control ..very fast.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109837680/christchurch-man-killed-in-rural-canterbury-crash-after-hitting-tree

My apologies when I talked of camber in previous posts I meant the slight banking of curves. Camber is the upward curve to the centre for water run off.

Cross the centre line with sideways momentum and your centre of gravity alters dramatically.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

GD

As we can't insert images in comments, I've taken the liberty of inserting the graph referred to by RosscoWLG at the end of your excellent post.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

No need for apology. I have always thought camber was the upward slope on the outer side os a bend. Your earlier description is correct.

I have never forgotten the sight of a large red gum tree about twenty metres from the outside of a long sweeping bend in country Western Australia. The year was 1977 and four young blokes were killed when their car hit the tree.

It was a Falcon GTHO Shaker and the point at which it hit the tree was a linear extension of the camber on the bend. In other words, it was still gaining altitude when it wrapped itself around the trunk. The cops thought they might have been doing about 150 mph. (From memory, in those days the manufacturers had to sell 500 of their racing models in order to start in the Bathurst 500 at Mt Panorama. Although they were different classes, it was Torana v GTHO)

Most GTHO Shakers were bought by young blokes who then killed themselves. As a result, a mint 1970 XY Ford GTHO Shaker today is worth a fortune. (Around $500k)

RosscoWLG said...

Ohhh..road safety may have taken a hit in France with the Interior Ministry admitting that over 60% of France's speed cameras have been disabled by the Yellow Vests!

"the working class, see the country’s thousands of speed cameras as part of a “racket” designed to generate extra revenue for the state rather than preserving life, especially since the speed limit was dropped to 50 miles per hour on many roads in 2018.

They did indeed raise over a billion euros in fines in 2017, according to the Court of Auditors, and were expected to raise significantly more in 2019."

Yep you can take things too far, just look at the urban motorway in Wellington, just out of the The Terrace Tunnel, speed camera, 8km down the road before Lower Hutt, another speed camera, often speed camera vans parked up before Tawa about another 7-8 km down the road, all on one of NZ's safest highway !

Often cops parked up on the Expressway north of Paekakareki, NZ's newest motorway that should be a minimum 110 kmph, perhaps a 120 kmph, all to gather revenue.

Conversation in the New Ministers Office 9 months ago

Genter "yep we're gonna get that death rate down to zero on my watch even if every son of a bitch has to cycle."
NZTA and NZ Police Dept officials " But Minister our road safety policies bring in a $1billion dollars revenue to state coffers every year!"

Nine months later December 2018 Genter " Yep our 30 year target on road safety is working well"

Officials " Yes Minister"

Wiggo (Right to the Bone)



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Anonymous said...

Wiggo....no one knows how many cameras have been disabled due to the Gilet Jaunes and you CAN"T be a member as it has no structure. Many cameras were disabled including one near us long before the protests because of the lowering of the speed limit on rural roads.

The French penchant for protesting everything some times leads to them to being their own worst enemies because the Gendarmes are now out in force with mobile cameras. This is what you got a kilometre before the fixed cameras..... https://www.thelocal.fr/20170116/frances-anti-speeding-road-signs-get-new-look

Now they are getting pinged with no warning at all.....dumb.

According to the right wing webs sites advocating violence there are only two tribes in France...the "working class" and the "elites". These only exist in the minds of the very stupid or very clever.