Thursday, January 3, 2019

EDUCATION - ANOTHER COL FAILURE

The list of policy failures by the NZ First/Labour/Green Party government continues to grow by the day.   

Their flagship housing policy is in tatters with the CEO of Kiwibuild quitting after only six months in the job; its 10,000/year target is a joke while some of the houses already built remain empty because nobody wants them.   Likewise their 1 billion new trees policy (now 500,000) designed to get Shane Jones' cuzzie bros off the couch (his words) and into planting is struggling to get off the ground with seedlings going to waste and now the revelation that 'his' cuzzie bros ain't interested  with the government having to bring in Pacific Islanders to do the work.

But in this post I want to focus on tertiary education and St Jacinda's captains call by which first year, first degree students paid no fees.    It was trumpeted as providing a pathway designed to increase student numbers (the government budgeted for a 3% increase) with a focus on those from Maoridom and the Pacific Island communities.   The result ... student numbers have remained static while the sector has faced increased administration costs dealing with the policy change.

And all this against the statistic that one in three students fail to complete their degree with Massey University (having a 42% completion rate) the worst and Otago (at 71%) the best leaving New Zealand with one of the lowest ranked countries for university completion rates in the OECD.

So, one third of Jacinda's gift to students is flushed down the toilet wasted.    How many hip operations could that $339 million have funded?    How many etc, etc, etc.

If the government is determined to continue with this policy then it should redesign it to reward success by the simple and less costly expedient of making the FINAL year of study free ... but they won't because to do so would be to admit they f****d up the policy in the first place.

I commend this to the incoming National government (that should get the defenders of the faith going) as a far better and less costly policy that fits neatly with National Party value #6 of rewarding achievement.

29 comments:

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Is it any surprise Massey is the worst performer when it's Vice Chancellor is a fruitloop?

Psycho Milt said...

Massey is the worst performer because it's the country's major distance education provider, nothing to do with who's the VC. It has thousands of students who are workers studying part-time from wherever they happen to be, in NZ or the world.

It may take those students 10 years to complete a degree, if they complete one at all. Many of them are like me, ie they do a paper or two every now and then to upskill or just out of interest. That's been very useful to me in my career (papers in computer programming, web development and software management), but has a big downside for Massey in that my academic record shows I "abandoned" three different degrees in the last 20 years.

That's why the previous government's focus on completion rates was yet another example of how incompetent that government was when it comes to education. Nothing the current government is doing in the education sector approaches the stupidity of Stephen Joyce considering universities to be factories for turning out economic production units.

The Veteran said...

Milt ... I can agree with your comment about Massey being the major provider of distance education having been employed in another life by their examinations centre.

But no comment on the substance of the post I see.

Gerald said...

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/377757/fee-free-policy-having-little-impact-on-school-leavers-decisions.

The Veteran said...

Thank you Gerald ... more evidence the policy is a failure.

Noel said...

https://www.tec.govt.nz/funding/funding-and-performance/performance/teo/epi-reports/interactive-charts/#/

Psycho Milt said...

Veteran: fees-free wouldn't have been my priority for tertiary education, for sure. I don't think it was a good idea, but at least it's not actively damaging the sector the way the previous government did. And, as noted above, I reject the idea that completion rates are a useful measurement of how well the universities are doing. The money spent on educating people who don't complete a degree is not "flushed down the toilet."

Anonymous said...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107977322/one-in-three-university-students-arent-completing-their-degrees

Noel said...

Massey University (having a 42% completion rate) the worst and Otago (at 71%)??
Not sure where you got those figures??

Massey 2017 47 percent, 2016 45 percent, 2015 45 percent
Otago 2017 74 percent, 2016 73 percent, 2015 70 percent.

I cant pick up figures for the period that would cover the free fees.
Stuff article suggests this year???

The Veteran said...

Noel ... figures from the Tertiary Education Commission. Actually the percentages are only of minor importance. The reality is that one student in three fails to complete their degree. The bigger question is why are we subsidising failure as opposed to reinforcing success.

The CoL policy is a dog and a mangy dog at that.

Gerald said...

Old yet relevent.
https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/publications/80898/42059

David said...

Drop out rates in Oz seem to be about the same, so I doubt it is the lack of fees that is the driver.

The bigger question is why are we subsidising failure as opposed to reinforcing success.

Not completing a degree is not necessarily failure, and I am sure many of those go on to to success in other endeavours.

Even when a degree is not gained, there is bound to be knowledge, skills, habits acquired.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

David... you are probably right, trying to measure the degree of knowledge absorbed and any gain for society or country is is not to be taken seriously. Veteran is more interested in looking for sticks with which to beat the Government than the substance of the post.

Snowflake said...

Meh, with the economy humming along (much to your anguish) school leavers have plenty of options in the job market and many are taking them. You have no decent counterfactual so are essentially talking out of your fundamental orifice as usual.

The Veteran said...

Snowflake ... so when a policy doesn't come within a bull's roar of achieving what it was trumpeted to do one is not allowed to suggest alternatives ... and you accuse me of talking out of my arse ... clearly you and arseholes have much in common.

I repeat. The policy is a dog but you are too bound up in an ideological time warp to see it let alone admit it.

Yes Egbut it's a stick to hit the government with and it's a stick all of their own making. Might have escaped your notice but that's what opponents of the government do.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

I agree...but the sticks keep getting smaller and more inconsequential and bear no relevance to good governance. Whether there are a million trees planted or there is wall built is is neither here nor there to Joe Bloggs, builder in Waimate.

The Veteran said...

So Egbut ... this ‘dog’ of a policy, panned by the likes of my good friend Psycho Milt, defender of the faith par excellance, has your full support.

I always thought of you as being able to think for yourself rather than blindly follow the discredited meme.






Snowflake said...

Sorry, “Veteran” why is it a dog? Because the economy’s so good? That makes sense. Poor you; your ADS is getting the better of you.

The Veteran said...

Flake ... lost me completely. My posting has nothing to do with the economy except that it's about money not being spent wisely which could be better spent elsewhere.

WTF are you burbling on with 'ADS'. You clearly don't even know what it stands for.
Acquired Demyelinating Syndrome is a disease associated with children and is a precursor
to MS. Trust you to make fun of it but it figures.

Snowflake said...

Ardern Derangement Syndrome (well duh). You are an unfortunate sufferer. Drives you crazy doesn’t it?

The Veteran said...

Flake ... pathetic that you would highjack a serious disease to make a weak political point. As for crazy and if daring to point out a policy failure of your pin-up girl constitutes crazy then I plead guilty.

Snowflake said...

It’s not a policy failure. Lower tertiary enrolments than forecast is likely due to a strong economy (oh noes, the horror!). Suck it up, losers; your attempts to talk the economy into your much hoped for recession have proved fruitless.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

At last I see a glimmer of virtue in this Coalition of Losers which is running NZ.

It does not have Snowflake in charge of decisions which require at least some knowledge of economics.

Snowflake said...

Whatever, Adolt. What you don’t know about economics, not learned from a long career as a struggling grifter, fills volumes. Now fuck off, I’m schooling non-retards.

RosscoWLG said...

SnowVeryFlaky says "Meh, with the economy humming along (much to your anguish) school leavers have plenty of options in the job market"

Mate the economy humming along is absolutely nothing to do with the COL, you inherited it, so your argument fails because the COL didn't to do the research before introducing the policy.... your reasoning.

So why introduce it if it was going to fail??

Snowflake said...

The economy is performing beyond expectations, buddy. It's one of the facts which has you hitting the bottle.

The policy hasn't failed. Your counterfactual is wrong.

The Veteran said...

Flake ... its failed when (a) the numbers remain static and (b) when one in three students drop-out. Simple question ... why subsidise failure when you could just as easily reinforce success for a better result.

Economy performing beyond expectations ... the record numbers seeking food parcels are a graphic testimony to that and that's 'your' voting demographic ... badge of honour not.

David said...

... leaving New Zealand with one of the lowest ranked countries for university completion rates in the OECD.

Where did you get that idea? Facts don't seem to support you. Information I have seen shows NZ third in the OECD for overall completion rates.

The Veteran said...

David ... Tertiary Education Commission.