Thursday, December 20, 2018


My old mate 'The Realist' is an occasional contributor to the No Minister blog.    I was chatting to him off blog and mentioned I had received a Xmas card emblazoned 'Happy Holidays'.

The Realist's response ... I get those too.   I post them straight back to the sender with the words 'If  you mean Merry Christmas then why don't you say it' ... or words to that effect.   The Realist is renowned for his plain speaking.

Take a bow Realist ... take a bow.


David said...

Once again you claim something is "PC" because you don't like it.

Your "mate" seems to be a bit of an ass. Someone makes contact, reminds him that they still think of him, but because they don't use is preferred form of words, he churlishly spurns their friendship. Not sure that is someone I'd be happy to call a friend.

I am staggered at how he is able to rise from his cot each day knowing that the whole world doesn't revolve around him and that not everyone subscribes to his particular mythology.

It may comes as a surprise to you, but we are not all christians, but we do celebrate the holiday season. Some are pagans, some are christians, some atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc, but we all enjoy the summer break and time with family and friends.

Happy Holidays, Veteran.

Voyager said...

David, you have missed the point.

Insisting that we must all say Merry Xmas is the height of PC. Banning Happy Holidays is PC gone mad.

Happy Festivus and may your Festivus pole be long and strong.

Snowflake said...

Your mate the “realist” wouldn’t get many Christmas cards I wouldn’t imagine. You need friends for those.

Anything else you want to whine about? Cycle lanes? Treaty settlements? The fact that you can’t indulge in gay bashing without the PC police arresting you? The fact the PM had a baby and the world ended? Plenty of stuff out there, indulge yourself. Meanwhile the economy is chugging along despite your best efforts to talk it down, unemployment is low, wages are up and normal people are getting on with it. Poor you.

Andrei said...

Lol - you hard core progressives make me laugh

We have been inflicted with the "Happy Holidays" construction so as not to offend you delicate little flowers sensitivities over a venerable HOLY DAYs (holidays)

So you are are really saying Happy Holy Days

And when you farewell someone with "Goodbye" you are blissfully unaware you are actually saying

God be with You

Anyway a Jolly Festivus to you all

The Veteran said...

Hmmmmm ... an uptick to Andrei and to the rest of you who rejoice at being 'progressives' who live and die at being PC you conveniently forget that Christmas is the reason for the Season. It is what it is and you can't change it.

'Happy Holidays' is a stupid call that originated in the US by likes of David who were too dumb to realise that, in America, very few take any holidays over Christmas. And consider it in the NZL context ... if I were one of the several hundred NZDF serving overseas in an operational deployment and received one of those my reaction would be 'they're trying to take the piss of me ... what feekin holidays.

One of my abiding memories of my time in the military was the age old tradition (that continues to this day) of the officers and sergeants serving the junior ranks their Xmas dinner ... not their 'Happy Holidays' dinner.

So to the ever politically correct Davids of this world I say take your Happy Holidays
meme and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Snowflake said...

Yeah, Christmas has been banned! If you say merry Christmas you will be imprisoned! That’s why no one says it anymore. Ever. Manufactured outrage Vet. You don’t need that, you have the Global Compact on Migration to get uppity about.

The Veteran said...

Snowflake ... you excel in stupidity 101. Merry Christmas has not been banned although I suspect the Davids of this world would say hallelujah to that. Just pointing out the stupidity of the phase 'Happy Holidays' as another example of pc gone wild.

And you're right. Gonna get uppity on the Global Compact on Migration so watch this space while Winston First disembowels itself.

David said...

... you conveniently forget that Christmas is the reason for the Season.

Nope, Axial Tilt is the Reason for The Season.

Will no one spare us from these scientifically illiterate fools?

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Out of the primeval forests of Northern Europe came a perfectly good pagan festival called the summer solstice where stored food, mead and wine which had reached it's alcoholic peak were broken out. The dwellings were decorated with greenery and winter berries and they all sat round a bloody great tree trunk (yule log) which was set on fire and proceeded to get a bit pissed and make inappropriate passes at the chiefs wife.

And then along came those pesky Christians and tried to fuck things up with their long mournful faces and killjoy attitude. Thou shalt not decorate places of worship with greenery or worship the greenman.......get lost cried the pagans, OK we will mix it up a bit. Our bloke was born in a desert environment 4000k away so if you take him on board we will let you sing the Holly and the Ivy and have green wreaths on your doors.

Minutes from the Nicaea conference chaired by Emperor Constantine head of the newly formed Holy Roman Church 375AD

Happy holidays to my Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu friends. Merry Christmas to te rest of you

Andrei sim said...

" . Our bloke was born in a desert environment 4000k away so if you take him on board we will let you sing the Holly and the Ivy and have green wreaths on your doors.

Minutes from the Nicaea conference chaired by Emperor Constantine head of the newly formed Holy Roman Church 375AD "

Nicea was in what is today Anatolia which is not close to Northern Europe, geographically or culturally Egbut

Constantine's capital city was Byzantium, later called Constaninople after him and today known as Istanbul - again not culturally Northern European - so your bucolic imagery of pagans sitting around the yule log surrounded by holly and ivy while quaffing on mead is a little anachronistic

In fact it was only in Victorian times that Christmas began to take pre-eminence in the Christian calendar and the was Americans that made it into what it is today with all its tack and tinsel

Easter is of course the most important Christian festival, based on a lunar calendar rather than solar and the determination of the date of that in any particualar year was the business of Nicea, not usurping the festivals of Northern Europe's pagans who were not very important in the scheme of things in those days

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

And who should pop up but a longfaced mournful pedantic Christian hell bent on removing smiles from faces.

Winter solstice in the German and Scandinavian Forests is a long way from from my post.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Andrei....bollocks.....The pagan Scandinavian and Germanic people of northern Europe celebrated a twelve-day "midwinter" (winter solstice) holiday called Yule (also called Jul, Julblot, jólablót, midvinterblot, julofferfest). Many modern Christmas traditions, such as the Christmas tree, the Christmas wreath, the Yule log, and others, are direct descendents of Yule customs. Scandinavians still call Christmas "Jul". In English, the word "Yule" is often used in combination with the season "yuletide" a usage first recorded in 900. It is believed that the celebration of this day was a worship of these peculiar days, interpreted as the reawakening of nature. The Yule (Jul) particular god was Jólner, which is one of Odin's many names.

The concept of Yule occurs in a tribute poem[which?] to Harold Hårfager from about AD 900, where someone said "drinking Jul". Julblot is the most solemn sacrifice feast. At the "julblotet", sacrifices were given to the gods to earn blessing on the forthcoming germinating crops. Julblotet was eventually integrated into the Christian Christmas. As a remainder from this Viking era, the Midsummer is still important in Scandinavia, and hence vividly celebrated.

No one knows the real birthday of Jesus! No date is given in the Bible, so why do we celebrate it on the 25th December? The early Christians certainly had many arguments as to when it should be celebrated! Also, the birth of Jesus probably didn't happen in the year 1 but slightly earlier, somewhere between 2 BCE/BC and 7 BCE/BC, possibly in 4 BCE/BC (there isn't a 0 - the years go from 1 BC/BCE to 1!).
Calendar showing 25th December

The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336, during the time of the Roman Emperor Constantine (he was the first Christian Roman Emperor). A few years later, Pope Julius I officially declared that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated on the 25th December and in doing so incorporated it into the Pagan winter solstice and Roman Saturnalia.

Happy festive season and holidays

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Veteran....just to remind you that there is nothing new under the sun, during the Roman celebration Saturnalia masters supplied table service to their slaves, this also carried on in some Legions.

So we have been following a non Christian Xmas tradition all this time, along with ten man sections and 100 man companies.....

My apologies to the atheists and agnostics whom seemed to have missed out in my happy holidays

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... and even when there are no Happy Holidays to be had.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Yes's sad fact that we go out of our way to dispense goodwill over a few days which by implication means that we could not not give a toss about our fellow man/woman for the rest of the year.

The Veteran said...

Egbut .... some might say cynical but true ... I couldn't possibly comment. But, I think to be fair, we all know people to whom that doesn't apply ... good people all.

The Realist said...

I don't think I'm an arsehole, but I know I'm not a quivering beta-male soy-boy.

The Veteran said...

Snowflake ... told you 'The Realist' was renowned for his plain speaking. Just as Christmas is what it is ... so are you.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Realist.......translation please??????

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Under my book of obituary translations plain speaking or "he always called a spade a spade" usually means he was a self opinionated windbag with the sensitivity of a dray horses fart.......just translating.

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... Beta-males usually grow up lacking a father figure or good role model. The average soy-boy is a feminist, nonathletic, has never been in a fight, will probably marry the first girl that has sex with him, and likely reduces all his arguments to labeling the opposition as 'Nazis'.

Beta-male soy-boy ... ouch, double ouch.

Told you The Realist has a way with words.

Gerald said...

The Veteran said...

Gerald ... stating the obvious but I wouldn't limit that to political extremists. Anyone who has a strong belief in something would also fall into that category.

The trick is to understand that neither the political right or left has a monopoly on good vs evil. When you refuse to entertain for a moment that the other side may have a legitimate concern that's when things can get seriously off track.

Psycho Milt said...

...told you 'The Realist' was renowned for his plain speaking.

"beta-male soy-boy" is the exact opposite of plain speaking. It's obscure slang used by particularly sad denizens of the alt-right, of which incels is the most obvious category. If that's the company you want to keep, you're welcome to it.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


But quite concise when compared with the incomprehensible gibberish spouted by the communist/fascist left who infest university faculty lunchrooms and modern day church pulpits.

Anonymous said...

Walter.....incomprehensible and gibberish are mutually exclusive. Just another one of your sweeping statements that are meaningless because they are just generalisations that are impossible to measure.

A Verminous troll rotting in hell