Friday, September 22, 2017

WIFE VS PARTNER

Yesterday I was mailed an official NZDF publication.    It contained an article about a serving officer and her wife.    How can that be I thought?   Husbands are defined as males and males have wives.    Females in a relationship and surely they are partners.

This is pc nonsense gone mad.   If this makes me homophobic then I guess I am which comes at a bit of a shock really as those that know me have always considered me a liberal when it comes to the same sex debate.

Perhaps, just perhaps, I'm being left behind in the 'modern' world.

p.s.   I'm now in an election-free zone.


38 comments:

Noel said...

No not partner. Spouse .

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

What will they do when the regimental mascot (donkey) wants to get married?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

On a less frivolous note, I give thanks that I'm from a generation in which we married our wives and went into business with our partners.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... maybe, but I prefer partner.

pdm said...

Adolf - I am with your 12.09.

David said...

veteran, it doesn't matter what label you think should be applied, this person has chosen her labels so let it be. In what way are you harmed by this?

Andrei said...

"it doesn't matter what label you think should be applied, this person has chosen her labels so let it be"

My label is "Your Imperial Majesty" please ensure you address me as such when replying to future any comments of mine David

Thanking you in advance

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

DAvid

Is she also an Albino Abo or a malanomically challenged Maori?

The Veteran said...

David ... I think Andrei has nailed it pretty much.

Anonymous said...

What happened to 'Rule 1'?

I blame the Navy. They've been prone to this sort of carry-on.

David said...

The only thing that Andrei has "nailed"is confirmation that there is no level of stupid too low for some people.

Now, forget the sidestepping, Veteran - who is harmed by the officer referring to her wife? You? In what way? if there is no harm, why the need for the post, unless it is to show that you are out of touch. The modern military functions better with the Old Colonel Blimps removed.


Noel said...

"Noel ... maybe, but I prefer partner".
You don't like wife, prefer partner which is usually used by those who don't marry, yet spouse is gender neutral?

"who is harmed by the officer referring to her wife? You? In what way?"
Good point David.

Andrei said...

""who is harmed by the officer referring to her wife? You? In what way?"

My wife is - she has earned that title by being married and devoting her life to raising our children who are an asset to the future

That's the thing you dill brains don't get - raising children is an economic activity and an investment in the future. It is in fact the fundamental economic activity and if nobody was prepared to invest in children and there were none there would be no future!

Veteran on his superannuation post worries about the cost of future superannuation but my children will cover the cost of my super and my wife's through the taxes they pay and contribute to society in the process

The Veteran said...

Noel/David ... no one is harmed but it is pc gone mad. You have husbands and wives with the dictionary definition of a husband being a him but I struggle to see how a her who wants to remain a her can meet the definition of a husband with a wife.

David ... not sidestepping and I have long argued in favor of same sex relationships but to my mind there is limit to the gymnastic distortions you can apply to the English language and thats my point.

Noel said...

But you do accept spouse over partner?

David said...

Veteran - no one is harmed but it is pc gone mad.

Please define "pc gone mad". Whenever I see a person resort to labeling something as "PC" it is an indication that they don't have a valid point to make.

You have husbands and wives with the dictionary definition of a husband being a him ...

Yep, some people love to trot out the dictionary as if it is holy writ, but it ain't. A dictionary definition is not an immutable law. Dictionaries record how language is used, not how it must be used. Note the movement in definition / usage of words such as gay, decimate, fulsome, awesome, and so many more. When Chaucer wrote "girl" in Canterbury Tales, he meant child of either gender.

English, like all living languages, evolves to suit the times.

Andrei said...

"Yep, some people love to trot out the dictionary as if it is holy writ, but it ain't."

Maybe not but basic biology dictates that every child has a FATHER (male) and a MOTHER (female)

Basic biology also dictates that when a species or a group fail to reproduce they go extinct

And given the Anglo Saxon race has lost the plot and thinks being a man or woman is an arbitrary choice and that a man fucking another man is equivalent to a fecund male/female coupling the Anglo Saxon race is on its way out

Who is the Lord Mayor of London David?

The writing is on the wall...

The Veteran said...

Noel ... at least do me the courtesy of reading my comment. Just how you manage to morph "I prefer partner" into "But you do accept spouse over partner" fair escapes me.
As for your contention that 'partner' is a term usually used in a relationship outside of marriage and you're only a couple of decades behind the times. I know countless married couples who refer to their other half as their partner.

David ... so in your pc world anyone making a point and decrying political correctness and it is to be assumed the point ain't valid. Big call that males and females are to be gender neutral and, if you think about it, somewhat confused.

David said...

David ... so in your pc world anyone making a point and decrying political correctness ...

No, Veteran, I am asking you to define political correctness. any have tried, but none have succeeded.

David said...

Maybe not but basic biology dictates that every child has a FATHER (male) and a MOTHER (female)

Basic biology does no such thing, in fact basic biology often means a child grows up without one or the other when a parent dies. Mostly they work out OK.

Basic biology also determines that some people are incapable of reproducing, their is a fault in their organs such that eggs refuse to attach to wombs or sperm carries no fertile seed. Basic biology has also shown that we can now reproduce without sexual transmission of sperm to egg. So, what was your point again?

Basic biology also dictates that when a species or a group fail to reproduce they go extinct

Again, it does no such thing. Species extinctions happen for all sorts of reasons, and very rarely is it simply a failure to reproduce. They happen due to over crowding, loss of habitat, floods, fires, earthquakes, famines, asteroids, and more.

And given the Anglo Saxon race has lost the plot and thinks being a man or woman is an arbitrary choice and that a man fucking another man is equivalent to a fecund male/female coupling the Anglo Saxon race is on its way out.

What is the "Anglo Saxon race"? Is this your real agenda, you are not just a homophobic, religiously motivated bigot, you are also a racist. There is but one race, the Human Race, as I am sure even your Bible tells you.

Who is the Lord Mayor of London David?

Yep, as I thought, here is the racist coming out. Why is there a problem for you with whoever holds the lowly office of Lord Mayor of London? its not like he's got the fucking nuclear codes and is engaged in a dick wagging contest, is it?

Anonymous said...

I have no idea why I am moved to comment on this thread. How and why people address each other or in fact eat sleep or copulate has no influence or effect on my life.

I am reminded of the moveable feast that the English language is by this.....When George Bernard Shaw wanted to create a scandal, but not too big a scandal, in his 1914 "Pygmalion," he had Eliza Doolittle exclaim in her newly perfect posh accent, “Walk! Not bloody likely! I am going in a taxi.” The first night’s audience greeted the word with “a few seconds of stunned disbelieving silence and then hysterical laughter for at least a minute and a quarter,” and there were some protests from various decency leagues, but on the whole a scandal never materialized. Bloody became “the catchword of the season” and pygmalion became a popular oath itself, as in “not pygmalion likely.” Had he scripted Eliza to say “Not fucking likely!” (which he very well could have in 1914) there in all likelihood would have been a real scandal, akin to that generated by shift in "Playboy of the Western World."


Live and let live and beware of the morality police cunningly disguised as Andreis.


Lord Egbut

Psycho Milt said...

It contained an article about a serving officer and her wife. How can that be I thought?

Simple enough. Note these two relevant points:

1. If your spouse is female, she's your wife.

2. Marriage between same-sex couples has been legal since 2013.

Given these two data points, it should be clear how a female serving officer can have a wife. Happy to clarify further if some are still struggling with this.

Shelldrake said...

I have been directly associated with the NZDF for 54 years. The diversity that I see today in the force is something that I did not believe would be possibe years ago. The racial mix, (Maori, pasifika, Asian, non british europeans), the role that women play and the acceptance by current personnel of all is something I would not have believed when I joined all those years ago. I am as proud today as I was then of the people I come in contact with. Times change. The current cohort are people we can be proud of.
Just take people as they are. The key criteria is, can they do the job? So long as they respect me I can respect them.

Andrei said...

Lot of virtue signaling going on on this thread

But of course there is no end to this nonsense and we continue our fall down the rabbit hole

Still a hundred years from now as everyone who hasn't lost their marbles knows the main language of New Zealand will be Mandarin and the rebuilt Christchurch Cathedral will be a mosque


Anonymous said...

Yes.....only Putin can save us all, Hail the great saviour and leader Putin. We humbly prostrate ourselves and flagellate ourselves with our own stupidity for not seeing the divine light..There, feel better now Andrei.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

The test of how transgender, gay whatever plays out will be in combat. I have read that the US troops actually serving long tours don't necessarily like them about because even very minor things become stress points under sustained combat pressures. Someone with all their supposed faculties is vulnerable so someone confused who wears lippy over their stubble is felt to be a bit loose emotionally to start with and more prone to falling apart when it gets tough. You want your mates to be as normal as possible when you kick off.

This PC nonsense does harm us because we know its stupid yet do it anyway. I think I'm watching the end of western civilisation play out. It won't happen overnight but it will happen.

3:16

Noel said...

PM Touche!

Andrei said...

".only Putin can save us all"

No No No - he can save Russian civilization, that's his job

It is the job of Western leaders to save Western civilization and they are failing dismally surrendering willy nilly to every pressure group while taking giant dumps on the productive elements of society - like farmers and family people.

Look at the opening preamble to the American constitution Egnut

" We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.....

See that phrase "our posterity", totally forgotten by modern Americans and their Western vassals

What's the future for a people who recognize 29 genders and counting and who place little value on procreation and the raising the the next generation?

What does a farmer do with a bull who wont service his cows?

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:16.....You read to much....It's stupid ill thought out comments like yours that merely reinforce the stereotypes that you live by. I know of one homosexual soldier who died in Vietnam and several others who served. Even Adolf doesn't come out with that sort of crap..

Lord Egbut Nobacon.

The Veteran said...

Shelldrake ... I can endorse that. It's the bastardisation of the English language that gets me going although I have to concede David's and Egbut's point that language evolves ... but I don't have to like it.

Andrei said...

" I can endorse that. It's the bastardisation of the English language that gets me going although I have to concede David's and Egbut's point that language evolves"

George Orwell's "1984" was written as a satire and a warning but it has become a manual for a fifth column who would undermine the West.

We live in a post modernist age where words can mean whatever you want them to mean if it suits your agenda

Noel said...

Shock, horror, a lesbian calling her married spouse her wife has debased the English language.
Get over it.

Gerald said...

Veteran you should send a strong e mail to the Army News for their shocking use of the English language.

The Veteran said...

Gerald 10.29 ... more assumptions.

David said...

We live in a post modernist age where words can mean whatever you want them to mean if it suits your agenda

Yes andrei, as you just proved with your meaningless phrase "post modern". I bet you can't define it.

And you're wrong about Orwell as well, Lewis carroll got there first in "Through the Looking Glass".

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

David said...

veteran - still waiting for that definition of "political correctness".

Gerald said...

No matter the publication it appears there has been a heinous debasement of the English language and you first action should be to point that out the the publishers.

Anonymous said...

I'll give my own understanding of political correctness.

The public acknowlegement, the deference to 'the current truth', no matter how unfounded in reality this 'current truth' may be; Being in lockstep with the special little orthodoxies of the more vocal [and usually outraged] minority sections of society.

In short, craven acquiesence to nonsense for the sake of an undisturbed life.

Mick