Wednesday, July 17, 2019

The shiny side of the coin...

What the EU does for its citizens

Since 1957, the European Union has benefited its citizens by working for peace and prosperity. It helps protect our basic political, social and economic rights.
Although we may take them for granted, these benefits improve our daily lives.

Peace & Security

Central and western Europe has never known so long a period without war. The EU is the most successful peace project in human history and has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Europeans are closely linked economically and culturally, and through the democratic values we share.

Single Market

The single market is the world's most highly developed and open marketplace. It is based on the EU’s 4 key freedoms, which enable you and other citizens to:
  1. live or work in any EU country
  2. move your money
  3. sell goods without restrictions
  4. provide services on the same basis.

High food & environmental standards

Because EU countries cooperate so closely, our food and our environment meet some of the world's highest quality standards. Unscrupulous companies can't get away with selling contaminated food or polluting our rivers and countryside.

Consumer benefits

Shoppers can now feel safe in the knowledge that they will get their money back if they return products. Travellers can buy train or plane tickets, knowing they can get a refund if their journey is delayed or cancelled. And the standards which goods in EU shops are required to meet are among the world's most stringent, in terms of both quality and safety.

Human Rights

The EU protects all minorities and vulnerable groups, and stands up for the oppressed. Regardless of a person's nationality, gender, language group, culture, profession, disability or sexuality, the EU insists on equal treatment for all.

Global Power

EU countries acting in unison have much more of a voice on the world stage than 28 small and medium-sized nations acting separately. We have political clout. As regards trade, our regulatory and product standards are adopted worldwide as the global norm.

Other benefits the EU brings its citizens are:

  • You can use your phone and online services at no extra cost wherever you are in the EU. You can also access your online video and music streaming services across the EU, safe in the knowledge that your personal data is protected under EU law.
  • Your rights are protected while you're travelling: EU rules protect your rights in the event of delays or cancellations. Whether travelling by plane, train, boat or bus, you are entitled to fair treatment.
  • You can benefit from training and support for your business: EU programmes like Erasmus+ help you get training to make the most of your career. The EU also helps you get the most out of your business – from finance to coaching, and from business networks to exchange schemes.
  • As a worker, you're protected from unfair treatment in the workplace under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. This bans discrimination, including in the areas of pay and dismissals.
  • As an EU citizen, you're protected against the downsides of globalisation by EU support for small businesses and rules to make sure that big companies pay their fair share of tax.

Discover how the EU makes a difference to your life. You may be surprised by just how many examples you'll find.
  • #EUANDME – videos & stories about opportunities for young EU citizens
  • EU protects - every day the EU connects people & helps them cooperate across borders to protect us
  • investEU – how have EU investments made a difference near you?
  • What Europe does for me – 100s of concise, easy-to-read fact sheets showing how the EU makes a positive difference to people's lives
  • Citizens' App - who does what in the EU, how all of this is relevant to your daily life and what challenges the EU faces, many of which will shape your future.
  • EU results – examples of EU-funded projects


Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut. I look forward to your review of what Hitler did for Germany. It would be almost word for word with a few minor changes of name.

Kimbo said...

Not sure why you are extolling the virtues of an organisation that nearly impoverished New Zealand when Britain joined Europe in 1973. And let it be noted we had freely fought in Britain’s two successful attempts to keep Europe free from the domination of despots.

Kimbo said...

And I suppose it depends on your view of the valid and useful role of government, but I’ve come to the conclusion that in the free market, the best way to maintain high food standards and ensure consumer benefits like the right to refunds is word of mouth. And that is something very achievable in the social media age. Just ask a restaurant that has been given a shitty review..

But if you think an army of Euro-bureaucrats, as an additional layer on top of national bureaucrats, is the best way to achieve that, fine. But why not go the whole hog and insist they monitor all Europeans to ensure they are wiping their arses properly? 😳😂

Kimbo said...

Also, Eggie, I realise you don’t like high falutin’ academic talk but I’d suggest “correlation is not causation” when it comes to the European Union and “Europe has never known so long a period without war”.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Why don't you say something positive there something about the word soveriegnty you don't understand?

The EU had nothing to do with NZ's dilemma at the time . It was a UK problem as well.

NZ gained access to EU markets in the early days because the UK insisted , but all this is historical nad has nothing to do with today...the world moves on.

If the EU splits NZ markets to 600 million people disappear...back to square one.

It doesn't matter how many layers of admin in a trading bloc as long as it works. EU citizens are wealthier with more and better infrastructure, health care, pension etc than either Russia or the US.

Kimbo said...

It doesn’t matter how many layers of admin in a trading bloc as long as it works

Not sure you’ve thought that through. The more layers/ticket-clipping middlemen the more difficult and expensive the trade. It may “work”, hell the old Soviet Union “worked”. But the issues are how much better could it work without the expensive bureaucrats, and what are the opportunity costs everyone in the trading process has incurred as a result.

Anonymous said...

Go away Chunter, you are becoming boring.

Kimbo said...

Onya, Eggie. Not...

“off topic”, or...

“Why can’t you ever be positive?”, but...

“Go away”.

So we are making progress with what your definition of what the “intelligent discussion” thing thing means. Looks suspiciously like it must agree with what you think, which is fair enough. I usually find whether others agree or disagree with me is a good test of their intelligence. 😎

I should be grateful my posts haven’t been erased, I guess. 😂

Roj Blake said...

@Kimbo 10:51

Perhaps you could enumerate the "opportunity costs everyone in the trading process has incurred as a result."

It seems to me, and I am but a simple retired warrior, that the removal of trade barriers and tariffs, the free movement of people and capital, the consistency of rules and laws, has made Europe far more prosperous than it would have been with 44 borders, 44 sets of import laws, 44 customs barriers, 44 sets of tariffs, etc.

But then, you are far wiser than me I suppose.

Perhaps you could come visit those of us, like myself and the Lord of Breakfast, and see how our daily lives sync so well, and why the destruction of the EU is not a goal we wish attained.

Andrei said...

Let's see

When GB joined the EU it had the largest merchant fleet in the world and the biggest ship building industry in the world

All gone today - along with their fishing fleet

Jaguar cars are owned by an Indian company and are over priced junk

Minis are German and are also overpriced junk

Sad really

Roj Blake said...

I doubt that any of the Brexiteers on this blog will have the attention span, but here is an excellent summation of how the UK got in to this mess.

And now the UK is about to anoint a new leader whose only negotiating strategy is "Give me what I want or I'll shoot myself in the foot".

Steppen Wolf said...

Let's see

When GB joined the EU (EEC) it had 230,000 people employed pumping petrol, runaway inflation, Ted Heath called out "unacceptable face of capitalism", coal was King and Joe Cocker was working on his next album.

Now, andrei, did you have a point to make, or are you just noticing that history never stands still, but is being created even as we type?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The lies of the left. They euphemistically refer to the EU as a trading block which it was before it was turned into monolithic monument to government interference.

An BTW, the reason Europe has enjoyed a long period of peace is NATO - to wit, THE USA which kept the Soviets at bay while the Krauts, Frogs, Wops and Spics hid in the corner, spending their money on age pensions for fifty year olds, while the Yanks paid for their defense.

Kimbo said...

@ Roj Blake

Sorry, you seem to assume I want the destruction of the European Union. Like Brexit I’m agnostic, or more to the point I don’t think it is my business because, as a Kiwi I don’t have any direct skin in the game. Is up to the countries concerned how they manage their own affairs.

But as to alleged fewer opportunity costs dealing with one bloc instead of a myriad of different nations. Perhaps. But then maybe that is a form of Stockholm syndrome in your part as you’ve forgotten with what you are really dealing, whether inside Europe, or without as in the case of NZ trying to trade with them. It is mercantilism, a form of a racket. And Eggie’s post about Europe having “political clout” makes that clear.

So yeah, it may be better if the five families declare a truce and decide to cooperate compared to entering into a patch war...but it’s still better if there are fewer bureaucrats of any form to “protect” (a euphemism the Corleone Family would use, btw) and “regulate” trade.

And if a protection racket exists, whether national or as part of a trade bloc, then one usually finds there are greater opportunity costs for all inside and outside funding the racket...with the exception of the Mafia...sorry, I mean the bureaucrats running the show, clipping the ticket and increasing costs to fund their own existence.

Kimbo said...

@ Roj Blake

But I take the point that the Poms have stuffed this up. Crapped on us and the Aussies going into Europe in 1973, then some 42 years later they crap on their European partners by pulling out. O, perfidious Albion!

Charles de Gaulle had them figured out when he twice vetoed the UK application to join in the 1960s, as he knew irrespective of the British politicians’ search for a quick fix to their economic problems of the time, that the hearts of the British people was not really in it.

The Veteran said...

Kimbo ... your last sentence ... ain't that the truth.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Different times, different 1970 the UK's farming industry was so inefficient it was almost non existent. Britain imported almost all her dairy, meat and wool from the commonwealth.

NZ farming was not much better, there is nothing like a guaranteed market to breed complacency and stifle innovation so Britain joining the EEC was a godsend for both countries.

Today's UK farmer is one of the most efficient in the world and exports 20% of its sheep meat to the EU tariff free. If the UK crashes out that meat becomes available for local consumption so don't expect to sell much lamb in England.

Same with apples and beef...almost 3 billion dollars worth of seafood is sent to EU every year, once again that will be directed to the local you won't be seeing much Hoki.

The only hope for NZ trade is a strong and unified EU....unless you want to negotiate 27 different trade and customs deals and cease trading with the land locked EU countries.......

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


Stick to flogging phones in the Serengeti.

You know very little, if anything, about NZ farming in 1970. I can tell you that in the late 60's, the sheep breeds were being created by inovative breeders which would allow for large scale sheep farming by way of 'care free' flocks of breeding ewes, with survival to sale lambing percentages doubling those of previous years.

Those breeds were the Coopworth and the Parendale but, of course, you wouldn't know that.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Further to last.

Most efficient in the world, eh Legbut?

They only receive billions of dollars worth of subsidies. They are as efficient as the wind farm just down the road from your place.

I was on a sheep farm in the Wye Valley in the mid eighties and it's 'efficiency' was enough to make you weep. From memory they could only break even when the lamb price reached eighty pounds. At the time NZ farmers were receiving $20 per head.

BTW you don't mention how much sheep meat is imported into Britain from other EU countries.

"The UK currently imports around a third of the sheep meat it consumes, or around 100,000 tonnes annually. In 2015, over 95 per cent of UK sheep meat exports went to other EU countries."

"The UK currently imports around a third of the sheep meat it consumes, or around 100,000 tonnes annually. Imports have been fairly stable recently. The dominant supplier has always been New Zealand, with a market share of over 70 per cent. Australia is the second largest supplier, accounting for around 15 per cent. This largely reflects the different seasonality of sheep meat production in the Southern Hemisphere, which helps to ensure supplies are available throughout the year. The EU supplies around 10 per cent of imports."

RosscoWlg said...

Yeah Eggie stick to flogging phones in the Serengeti.

You don't seem to know much about modern trade with the EU, you being dark and narrow minded, like any Globalist supporter of the EU would.

Remember your henchman calling down dire effects on the UK if they leave. In the meantime the EU stagnates and the UK is doing pretty damn well.

I meant doesn't the EU want a trade deal with us after all? I see we consume 15b of their exports so we have leverage on them.

There is of course the WTO to police international trade.

And finally the world has changed a hell of a lot since as Adolf says you were flogging Gen 1 analogue phones in the Serengeti!

Lighten up... why don't you write us an article on the Irish border question..... for the 5th time


Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Totally misread and misunderstood my post in order to talk about sheep breeding.... lets talk about choirs instead...that suit you?

RosscoWlg said...

Duh Eggie, sheep breeding changes were a response to the market, lean meat, different fibers,. totally on was you who misunderstood the context.

Agricultural based products still dominate our exports and and we still invest a lot in innovation and trying to meet what the market wants...a long time ago we exported carcases to the UK.. not so much now.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Adolf.....why are you repeating what I said?....In 1970 the UK exported almost no sheep meat to Europe, now, as you say it exports a hell of a lot, mainly to France and if you knew yor markets you would know that the French do not like buying meat that is or has been frozen.

If UK crashes out without a deal sheepmeat attracts 40% tariffs so it will be redirected to local markets...already one chain (Morrisons) have announced they will only sell British lamb.

Any proof of working in the Wye valley? English Wye or Welsh Wye? is your job experience like your house ...non existant?

Tell me about the subsidies you claim everone is getting?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

How loudly he screams when he is caught out.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

My job experience in the Wye valley is like your brain, Nonexistent. I did not say I worked there.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Still waiting for an explanation on subsidies....I once drove past an Ostrich farm so ask me anything...I'm an expert on Ostrichs now.


RosscoWlg said...

Well don't know about your sheep farming but going by the 2017 stats for Europe the UK was 5th behind, France, Germany, Italy and Sapin.

More importantly in Value Add which is a measure of efficiency the UK falls to 6th. Italy is now No1 with 3x the value add of UK agriculture.

as for subsidies 2016

“Last year the average farm made £2,100 from agriculture and £28,300 from subsidies. The typical cereal farmer actually lost £9,500 by farming cereals.”

The Times, 4 August 2016

The basic point is correct: on average, farmers across the UK make far more money from subsidies than they do from agriculture. Cereal farmers lose money. The exact figures depend on what you class as a ‘subsidy’.

Probably covers it nicely I think.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


It's time for you to give up while you're still grovelling.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

umm Adolf. You really ought to answer questions addressed to you as opposed to having someones sock puppet do it for you.

Yes of course there are subsidies but I was rather hoping you might do some research yourself. If there were no subsidies there would be food shortages in industrial nations. Before you bang on about EU farm subsidies look at the USA... 20 BILLION dollars in subsidies.

You don't have to take subsidies in the EU but if you do you must be prepared to be told what to grow and what not to grow...take the money and obey the rules. It's called balance.

And here's some NZ subsidies......

RosscoWlg said...

Eggie where are you getting this stuff from mate..."there would be food shortages in the industrial nations"

Is the EU publicity machine feeding you this stuff and you're posting it with a comprehension test first.?

FFS man next you will telling there are fairies in the bottom of my garden!

"You don't have to take subsidies"..let me guess youre at Euro Disneyland having a coffee posting this drivel.

In 2018 they tried to reduce subsidies but the outcry from the French farmers, read industrial combine farmers stopped it in its tracks.

And Egg just in case you didn't know the subsidy is on the acreage you own... not on your productivity... destroys your argument about food shortages!! refer my para 1

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Sorry Adolf, did you say something.