Friday, May 3, 2019

Friday's Fulminations

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David said...

Spot the difference:

Republic of the Congo
United Arab Emirates
Saudi Arabia

I look forward to Veteran, Chunter, and Graveyman arguing for intervention in each of these countries, the overthrow of their governments, and enforcement of sanctions to destroy their economies.

But they won't, they are obsessed with just one country on the list, the current bete noir of the US War Party. They are no friends of freedom and democracy, they are authoritarian running dogs of The War Part

Noel said...

Defence Minister in UK sacked for breaching the Official Secrets Act which says it’s only an offence if the information is damaging.

So what’s damaging about the world knowing that the UK response to Hauwei is no different to most countries denying involvement in the core.

Then this popped up.

“But The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that May approved granting Huawei permission to build up “non-core” elements of Britain’s next-generation telecommunications network. “

She must be wondering if following NZ and Canada in culling the OSA and replacing with individually signed non-disclosure agreements would have been a better option.

gravedodger said...

A totally irrelevant list Socialist Dreamer Davy perhaps some supportive evidence say how many if any lives saved along the way as we know quite a few perished in various ways in the Formative USSR with no US intervention.
Then perhaps another table revealing how many escaped persecution in that list and found shelter in the US.
If you then still have time to spare total the aid originating in the US went MIA either directly to a Swiss Bank Account in the names of various dictators or via the corrupt UN supposedly to give relief to the impoverished but never quite made it.

Andrei said...

" we know quite a few perished in various ways in the Formative USSR with no US intervention."

Shows how little you really know Grave Dodger - the USA (and Great Britain involved themselves militarily in the Russian Civil war and got their noses bloodied in the process)

And Grave Dodger the USA itself was built on a Genocide of the native population, may I refer you to "the trail of tears" for example.

Do you remember this atrocity - it was about bringing Freedom and Democracy to SE Asia apparently.

sayings involving "motes in eyes" come to mind - when it comes to massacres and massacre machinery in the 20th and 21st centuries the Western World rules

gravedodger said...

I was aiming at the stalinist years well after the civil war and Lenin, more the collectivisation and the purges where there was considerable confusion and news came via the state monopolies and unless you have knowledge I do not have, not much US involvement, oh and several people perished, sort of collateral damage I suppose.

Unlike you Andrei the US is less than perfect but given a vote between the US and Russia for support I probably favour the former as the least feared.

ps supporting the White Russians in the devastation following the "great War" was not on a scale you might imply with your assertion of my errors.

I think ascribing the modern use of Genocide to the "discovery" and "occupation" of the North American continent is at odds to my recollection of history where settlement and subjugation led to deaths from military actions and disease but in the mores of the Times not genocide as ascribed to the third Reich The Armenian killings, and so on.
Conquest and occupation had shaped the world for millenia. Suddenly in the NZ context such victory under arms seems resolved around 1840 when those in control at that time were regarded as the sitting residents and any vanquished however recent or buried in the mists of time were dismissed with a stroke of a quill.
The US c2019 has little responsibility for what the intrepid explorers may have done in those early years of contact with Europeans and the Spanish did a bit of Mayhem before the Pilgrims headed to New England. Without research the deaths of the North American Indians may well have largely preceded the union as opposed to an after effect so whatever be the case your hyperbole is now in file 13. as Anti US rhetoric. A quick google reveals the devastation you refer to preceded more than half the 50 states joining the union.

Andrei said...

I hate what the Bolsheviks did GD - if I could change things a Tsar would still reign

Human history is full of massacres and genocides, they are ongoing and I hate that too

But the idea that the protestant West is lily white and all good and noble while the "communists", which is used synonymously for "Russians", are murderous barbarians is the thing that needs correction.

Maybe the Bolsheviks were sent to chastise Holy Russia and maybe their spiritual descendants now hold sway in the West - it is certain that our elites are as Godless as they were and have thought up abominations they never could have imagined.

" 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."