Friday, April 26, 2019

LABOUR'S REALLY 'WORKING'

with the admission from MSD that the numbers on the Jobseeker benefit increased by 13,000 last year (up 10.9%).

And it's Labour's supposed demographic that has borne the brunt of the increase with Maori numbers up 14.6% and Pasifika up 15.9%.

Peter, Paul and Mary had it right.    When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn.

I look forward to Flake et al to come riding to the rescue.

41 comments:

Noel said...

https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/2019/quarterly-benefits-mar-19-a3-final.pdf

Psycho Milt said...

PaulL pretty much wrote my response for me over at Kiwiblog. I'll take the liberty of pasting the entire comment here:

Depends on whether:

– there were people previously who should have been getting a benefit and weren’t, and now are because of the policies of the government. People who are in need should get support

– there were people who aren’t eligible for a benefit who previously weren’t getting it, and now are fraudulently getting it. People who aren’t entitled to a benefit shouldn’t get one.

The problem is that it’s probably a bit of both – so both sides of politics can have alternative facts on this. The left will think it’s excellent because people are getting support that evil National didn’t let them access. The right will think it’s awful because bludgers that National rightly blocked from getting a benefit are now getting a free ride. It’s not going to change anyone’s minds.

Snowflake said...

Yep. Unemployment’s at near all-time lows and hasn’t increased, so this is mostly reflective of individuals claiming what they’re legally entitled too, and were under the Nats. Effective administration of the system. Big deal. Stockmarket’s also at a record. No wonder you need to grasp at straws.

The Veteran said...

Well certainly Labour has relaxed the rules making it harder to cancel benefits for those who have an aversion to work. Interesting too that the number of persons receiving health and disability benefits increased 6.9% in the last twelve months ... are people getting sicker under Labour?

Flake ... can I suggest a major reason for the stock market boom and its a case of 'in spite of' rather than 'because of' ... with record low interest rates people are indulging in a bit of a flutter rather than entrusting their dosh to the banking system ... I certainly am. Go Mercury, go Auckland Airport, go .....

Johno said...

LOL in the "alternative truth" of the lefties here, even when beneficiary numbers go up under a Labour government, it's a good thing - classic!

Psycho Milt said...

... are people getting sicker under Labour?

As PaulL wrote, it could be that the department under a Labour government is allowing greater benefit fraud than previously, or it could be that the department under the previous government was making it difficult for people to obtain benefits that they were entitled to. Probably a bit of both - what proportion would be for social science researchers to figure out, but no doubt it won't stop everyone asserting their preferred version.

Snowflake said...

What are your facts then Johno? Record low unemployment, robust growth, record share market. You guys have been predicting economic Armageddon. Where is it?

The Veteran said...

Gueez Flake ... where do I start. Your 1:39 post referred to "near all-time low' (unemployment). By 2:43 that had morphed to "record low unemployment". Fact ... Stas NZ reported in February that the seasonally adjusted figure for unemployment in the last quarter for 2018 (the last quarter available) l rose from 4% to 4.3%.

That's your #1 blown out of the water and now lets look at #2 ... 'Robust growth' ... GDP growth for 2018 was 2.3%. This was the lowest percentage increase since 2013. I guess robust is in the eye of the beholder.

As for the share-market and I've given you my take on that.

Tell me, do you actually research what you write or are you just a cypher for your masters. If it's the latter then could I respectfully suggest some remedial tuition in numeracy and reading skills might be in order ... only trying to be helpful.

Andrei said...

Vet as a matter of interest - "When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn." was Pete Seeger who was a member of the Youth Communist league and the American Communist party

Tom Hunter said...

Record low unemployment, robust growth, record share market. You guys have been predicting economic Armageddon. Where is it?

It's now official. "Snowflake" copies and pastes directly from Trump's Twitter feed. :)

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

It is now official....Chunter whose dad was released from a German POW camp in 1945 has fitted a turbo to his time machine and now has a child at "State" high school.

It is now official......Wiggo who knows every NZ beach beach between Brighton and Bondi but did not know who Barry Crump was is now an honourary kiwi.

It is now official.....anyone who believes a word that this pair of hired guns writes is dimmer than a Toc H lamp.

Snowflake said...

Gotcha Tommy. You take Trump’s Twitter feed as gospel and will soon be shilling loudly for the guy’s re-election on the basis of his economic management, and setting aside all other flaws so... I look forward to you being consistent and non-hypocritical, given these are core values for you. Three more years, right?

Tom Hunter said...

Gotcha Snowflake...

... and because you're just so super-smart you made the same argument in support of Jacinda Adern and NZ Labour that Trump uses to defend himself - and you didn't realise it.

How embarrassing. And now you're now desperate to try and turn defense back into attack

MUHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Idiot!

But come on sweetie, go on the attack.

Again.

Because otherwise you'd have to defend your own "ideas", and now we all know that you don't have the intellectual chops to do that. Hence the constant attack mode.

Doh!

:)

Johno said...

I would have replied directly to Snowflake's drivel but Vet and Tom did a nice job already.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

If arguing over a few points of a percent on data is all you have then we would be far better off exchanging recipes.

Along with most of the OECD countries we can expect a downturn due to trade imbalances and uncertainty caused by our Orange friend and his trade wars along with an unresolved Brexit.

Trying to tie this to a failure of political leadership merely exposes the empty ammo box.

Tom Hunter said...

.Chunter whose dad was released from a German POW camp in 1945 has fitted a turbo to his time machine and now has a child at "State" high school.

HI. My name is Lord Egbut Nobacon and I was told there would be no math.

Snowflake said...

Dear oh dear Tommy. Projection much? Anyway now that you’re a Labour Party supporter, you must surely agree the economic numbers are excellent and on their own justify three more years. Otherwise you’re just a hypocrite right? And you’re not a hypocrite are you?

Looking forward to your Brexit solution BTW. I must say you’re taking your sweet time about it. I expect it will be looooong and full of snide (like it was written by an intern of a bitchy version of Milo Yiannopoulos).

The Veteran said...

Egbut might wish to dismiss the data as being only a coupla percentage points.

I would prefer to think of them as 12,965 living, breathing, human beings.

Psycho Milt said...

12,965 living, breathing, human beings who, for all you know, are greatly relieved that they're now able to receive the benefits they're entitled to, thanks to a less hostile administration. Speculation about what the numbers mean is entertaining but not particularly enlightening.

Andrei said...

Nobody is "entitled" to anything in this cruel, hard world Milt.

As a matter of humanity we have agreed as a society to provide aid to those who for whatever reason have fallen on hard times (and it being a cruel, hard world this can happen to anyone)

I think this is a good thing generally, it makes a cruel, hard world a little less cruel and hard - but to expect your fellow citizens to support you you tough times as a matter of entitlement is a problem - no?

Snowflake said...

That is not what the actual law says Andrei. You’re not above the law, now are you?

RosscoWlg said...

Perhaps they cant get employment because the minimum wage is too high.... just thinking out loud.

I mean take Snowflake as an example... youre a private enterprise business (havent got time or space to explain what that is to Snowie) and he presents at your door with his qulaification in Media Studies....you look at him, you look at the minimum wage, you do a quick calculation (cost / Benefit).. you show Snowie the door.. easy, no brainer decision.

Repeat 12,965 times except most of these people cant be arsed turning up at your door in the first place coz as warped Milts (and dear old Andrei) world they are all "entitled" or have a good sob story about thier little world!

Snowflake said...

Yeah but then unemployment is at a near record low so you’re talking crap. To be fair to you though, that’s because you’re a fucking idiot.

Psycho Milt said...

Andrei: you're operating an abstract, philosophical definition of "entitled" that doesn't apply in this instance, which is about legal entitlements.

For example, if my contract with the apartment block's body corporate says I'm entitled to use the block's gym and swimming pool, then the fact that "nobody is entitled to anything in this cruel, hard world" counts for shit - as long as that contract's in force (and as long as we have society and rule of law, I guess), I'm entitled to use the damn gym and the damn swimming pool.

That's the meaning of entitlement that applies in my comment. As long as we have society and rule of law, they're real, legally-mandated entitlements, not grace and favour.

Psycho Milt said...

Perhaps they cant get employment because the minimum wage is too high.... just thinking out loud.

You're free to speculate whatever fantasies you like. Of course, we're equally free to find them laughably ridiculous fantasies.

David said...

But Milt, in Andrei's Ideal World, the poor have to prostrate themselves before the Priest in order to receive alms. You know, that's how the rich "virtue signal" to the poor.

Andrei said...

"For example, if my contract with the apartment block's body corporate says I'm entitled to use the block's gym and swimming pool, then the fact that "nobody is entitled to anything in this cruel, hard world" counts for shit - as long as that contract's in force (and as long as we have society and rule of law, I guess), I'm entitled to use the damn gym and the damn swimming pool."

No Milt - you have paid for that "right" when you bought that apartment or when you pay the rent.

Likewise with superannuation - you have paid into the scheme during your working life and receive your money back when you collect it - in Australia they make this explicit in NZ they don't, they hide it in general taxation but it is so.

We have agreed collectively to support the single mothers, the sick and the unemployed and that is a different kettle of fish entirely

Snowflake said...

And that support that we have agreed collectively to provide comes in the form of a guaranteed legal entitlement. Why is that hard for you to fathom? Does Putin-rimming rot your mind?

David said...

According to Wiggles

Perhaps they can't get employment because the minimum wage is too high.... just thinking out loud.

Yes, Denmark's minimum wage is $US44,252 and their unemployment rate is a horrendous 3.7%. Damn that minimum wage!

RosscoWlg said...

David always dangerous to post a stat straight off Guggle without further research.

Our more intelligent readers would have done a quick look at Wikipedia and seen that Denmark had instituted Labour Market reform in about the 1970,s and one feature was the ability for the employer to hire and fire with ease, and the other was to place the emphasis on worker insurance (in other words moving the cost of unemployment onto the worker through premiums).

Very quickly Denmarks 12% + unemployment rate dropped to around 2%.

Plus the Govt instituted some other policies about re-education, retraining.

So thank you, shows what good policy can do to get bludgers off welfare, and get dignity back in their lives by working for a living.

A concept you, Andrei,Snowflakie and Milt would not comprehend!

Andrei said...

No Rossco I understand it entirely - it is a narrative thing

Your way of expressing it, is that of a thoroughly unpleasant individual who hold those less fortunate in contempt

Whereas my narrative might suggest that those who live off taxpayer largesse should not see it as something they are entitled to but rather as the generosity of the society they live in and not something that they should take for granted - and if that mindset can be inculcated in all then motivation to move on from benefits will follow (as it does for many in any case).

¿Comprende?

RosscoWlg said...

Andrei strongly suggest you don't use a foreign language on this site as a lot of the contributors only understand a language called Marxism.

As for your noble thoughts about mankind and how they should see their entitlements.. sorry most of them are lazy bludging scum, exploiting a system designed to make it easy for them to get on welfare with no reciprocal responsibilities.

And if you look at the full stats there is some real worry herethat will keep Snowflake employed writing spin for the next 2-3 years as these numbers get worse and worse

•Maori +14.6%
•Pasifika +15.9%
•Under 25s +13.7%
•25 – 40 year olds +16.7%

And even bigger growth with hardship assistance. The special needs grants are up 45% and advances up 53%.

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

Wow...NZ's unemployment rate is 58%. My main problem is what the hell it has to do with Wiggo. Sure you can join a conversation but to insult people over something as stupid as statistics needs an agenda........be nice otherwise Adolf will bin you.

Anonymous said...

Egbut, instead of making a fool of yourself maybe you could consider a remedial math class?

The NZ economy is showing signs of fragility. Consumer spending has all but gone in a number of key ‘canary’ areas. The Auckland house market has stalled. That malaise will flow onto other regions. There is no reason for this to happen other than Labour’s ineptitude when it comes to things economic. Actually let’s be honest, their ineptitude at running anything.

Paranormal

Lord Egbut Nobacon said...

It's maths you naughty little foreign troll....

Try reading, it's where you let your eyes transfer information to the brain...others call it education but Adolf deletes me when I tell him that.

https://www.oecd.org/economy/outlook/global-growth-weakening-as-some-risks-materialise-OECD-interim-economic-outlook-presentation-march-2019.pdf

Psycho Milt said...

The Auckland house market has stalled. That malaise will flow onto other regions.

Er, good. Hopefully it will continue for a while, because growth based on a property bubble isn't real growth and median house prices that are 16 times the median income aren't good for the country.

There is no reason for this to happen other than Labour’s ineptitude when it comes to things economic.

If their success at turning house price inflation around is "ineptitude," I'd like to see much more "ineptitude" from NZ governments in future. And I say that as an owner of multiple properties - personal interest isn't the same thing as the public interest.

Psycho Milt said...

As for your noble thoughts about mankind and how they should see their entitlements.. sorry most of them are lazy bludging scum...

It's the human warmth and empathy of right-wingers that makes them so attractive...

David said...

I was unaware Ardern had so much power.

The NZ economy is showing signs of fragility. Consumer spending has all but gone in a number of key ‘canary’ areas. The Auckland house market has stalled. That malaise will flow onto other regions. There is no reason for this to happen other than Labour’s ineptitude when it comes to things economic.

Perhaps you could explain why the same thing is happening in OZ right now - housing prices falling, zero inflation, stagnant wages, retail sales declining - all under the watch of the expert economic managers The Libtards and their Cuntry enablers.

Anonymous said...

PM I hope you’re not involved in economics at university.

Allegedly we have a housing crisis. To end the ‘crisis’ we need capital investment in the housing market. By scaring the horses with a CGT people are not investing in the property market.

Prices are a problem that are not resolved with CGT (just look at worldwide evidence). To fix the market prices supply needs to be freed up. But then again you’re all happy with metropolitan urban limits.

So it’s faff around with the symptoms rather than address the causes as well as drive capital away from housing, increasing rental costs to ensure buyers can’t get on the ladder. That’s industrial level incompetence only socialist psychophants think is acceptable.

David, the big difference between Aus & NZ is the collapse of Aus mining iindustry that is filtering through the economy. We haven’t had a similar issue in NZ and yet the economy is just as fragile. There’s only one place to sheet that home, Taxinda and her fellow incompetents.

Paranormal

David said...

Subnormal, if this is a mining industry collapse I wonder what you think a boom would look like.

RosscoWlg said...

Miltie you're a dopey socialist aren't you, happy about the housing market falling.

Paranormal is quite right. New houses aren't being built in Auckland...what happens when new houses aren't built, then labour is released. "Released" means let go or don't turn up Monday we have no work for you.

Who do you think gets the chop first... no not the managing director but the Maori Labourers, the Pasifica labourers, the youth, perhaps the older guys working as labourers coz that got nothing more. See that's how a market works.

You gloat away thinking the housing market is full of speculators but as Paranormal says its a large part of capital formation in the economy, capital formation requires labour to support it...that's how economies grow and jobs are made.

By the way vacant land in Auckland and Wellington is not an issue, its everywhere, think RMA reform...Labour opposed it... think who runs local Govt in NZ.. Labour

Mate of mine running a big warehousing operation in Wlg tells me he is chock to the brim with stock as every other warehouse in Wellington....Translation to economics...means consumers aren't spending.

That means consumer confidence has taken a hit (along with the already well known business confidence) probably because some morons started talking large wealth transfers ie CGT