Friday, July 27, 2018

THE 'ANZAC' RELATIONSHIP REACHES A NEW LOW

I am reluctantly forced to agree with the Oz commentator who had it that the ANZAC relationship had reached a new low.   This per courtesy of St Jacinda and her grandfather little helper whose diplomatic skills rival that of President Trump.

It wasn't enough for the Labour Party here to do the dirty work on behalf of the ALP and ask questions in our parliament concerning the citizenship status of Barnaby Joyce ... an incident that caused the Australian Foreign Minister to opinion that she would find it very difficult to trust a NZ Labour government.

It wasn't enough for St Jacinda and WRP to attempt to embarrass the Aust government over their treatment of illegal immigrants held in detention centres nor our failure to recognise the ongoing role of the Australian boarder protection force in ensuring illegal immigrants trying to reach NZL are turned away in international waters.     

Neither was it overly smart to complain about the Oz decision to deport non-citizens who fail the government's 'good character' test especially given that 45% of those deported have already been before the Courts back here.  One can fairly ask how long it will be before the law catches up with the remainder ... bottom line ... these are not good people and one can understand why the Oz government wants quit of them.

And one can have some sympathy with the Oz view that NZL is not pulling its weight in defence with our expenditure measured in GDP terms only half that of Australia (and on a par with that of Tanzania). One can fairly argue that NZL has a essentially bi-partisan defence policy with successive administrations of all strips and colours determined to spend as little as possible with their collective mantra being 'defence on the cheap'.

And then to cap it all orf we have motormouth Peters claiming this week that Oz should change its flag because it looks like ours and that we got there first.   A view hardly likely to go down well in Canberra even if it were true ... it ain't.   The Oz flag was chosen from entries in a competition held following Federation and first flown in Melbourne on 3 September 1901.    It was formally recognised and legally defined in the Flags Act 1953.    The NZ ensign (not flag) was adopted on 24 March 1902 (six months after Oz) but was not recognised as our national flag until 79 years later with and the passing of the Flags, Emblems and Names Protection Act 1981.   WRP was in Parliament at that time but was probably too busy preening himself in front of a mirror to recall that sort of detail.

My point ... I agree the trans-tasman relationship is at an historic low point due entirely to the inflated egos of two lightweight politicians who just can't contain themselves.     


11 comments:

Gerald said...

Including this has been across the ditch.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/362846/national-s-election-loss-unjust-and-unfair-john-howard

Anonymous said...

Now what was that bleating about Labour and opinions on Aust politics when they were in opposition?

Noel said...

1901 Aussies have a design competition.

The Southern Cross on NZ Flag.
in 1869, the initials “NZ” were replaced by four red stars representing the Southern Cross. As an ensign, the flag was designed for use only on government ships. However, it’s use as a general flag grew until, by the time of the Second Boer War, it had become New Zealand’s unofficial national flag.

In 1902, with the flag now in general use, the Ensign and Signals Bill was passed by the New Zealand government and the flag became the official flag of New Zealand.

Common usage well before Australia.

Noel said...

In 1992 the Australian policy less stringent.
https://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_committees?url=mig/report/criminal_deportation/appendix5.pdf

By 1998 a hint of the future was emerging. Note that it only applied to SCV’s who had resided in Australia for less than 10 years.
https://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Documents/AustraliasFourthReportundertheConventionAgainstTortureJune1997October2004/1APRILCATREPORTANNEX2.pdf

Now it doesn’t matter how long you have lived there and in some cases when the offence was committed.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-14/lawyers-criticise-mandatory-deportation-foreign-citizens-jail/6697854

But fortunately for the Australians here we don’t use a 1 year prison sentence as sufficient reason for deportation.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/102811155/New-Zealand-deports-eight-Australian-crims-across-Tasman

Gerald said...

http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/2018_12_01_12_removal_and_deportation/

Noel said...

Aw lookie. NZ Soldiers were serving under the NZ Flag in 1900.
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/nz/kiwi-boer-otago.jpg

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Well done Noel. Very good research.

David said...

Adolf, what Noel posted is fake news.

1. The current NZ Flag was officially adopted in June 1902.

2. The Boer War ended 31 May 1902.

3. The photo does not show NZ troops at war, it is jingoistic propaganda by a "Patriotic Committee".

If I am incorrect, I am sure Veteran will correct me, but you never let facts get in your way.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David


It's past time for you to grow up. The picture depicted a cavalryman and a NZ flag.

You can bet your boots 'the boys' would have been using the flag months if not years before it's official adoption.

Australia was settled by thieves and vagabonds and it seems generations later you just can't get rid of the stain.

David said...

The picture depicted a cavalryman and a NZ flag.

Correct. However, it does not show he is anywhere near Africa, from the caption he is in Southland / Otago.

You can bet your boots 'the boys' would have been using the flag months if not years before it's official adoption.

Bet accepted. Now, show us your proof.

Australia was settled by thieves and vagabonds and it seems generations later you just can't get rid of the stain.

Except for those of us in South Australia - all free settlers, not a convict in sight. :-) Brush up on your history.


Gerald said...

You can bet your boots 'the boys' would have been using the flag months if not years before it's official adoption......Now, show us your proof.

I suspect you speed read Noel's original post and missed this bit.

However, it’s use as a general flag grew until, by the time of the Second Boer War, it had become New Zealand’s unofficial national flag.

Note time of not end of.