Tuesday, July 17, 2018

HAS TRUMP 'OUTCHAMBERLAINED' CHAMBERLAIN

The quite extraordinary (some might say bizarre) press conference  early this morning where Trump exonerated Putin from any wrongdoing in the US Presidential election has been universally condemned from across the US political spectrum.     Trump prostituted himself at Putin's feet with CNN's Anderson Cooper calling it as "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American President".

Some Trumpist apologists will say 'CNN ... so what'.   But it's not just CNN.   When Fox News weighs in also you know Trump has overreached himself big-time.   Not just the networks ... ex CIA Director John Brennan called the performance as "nothing short of treasonous" while conservative commentator Ben Shapiro said Trump's performance was "self serving and grotesque" before declaring "Trump made a fool of himself".  

The final word to U.S. Sen. John McCain who slammed Trump sayingThe damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate".   The Arizona Republican and Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee added that Trump is unwilling to stand up to Putin. “He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the President made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world".     Sage comment.

All this at the end of Trump's European 'tour de force'.    A visit where he sought to undermine the British PM; questioned the US commitment to NATO; called the EU 'the enemy' and managed to walk in front of the Queen.

Trump is not a Republican yet he may go down in history as having near destroyed the Republican Party with his cosying up to Putin.     From where I sit Trump has 'outchamberlained' Chamberlain.



 

28 comments:

David said...

Rubbish, Veteran. Absolute balderdash.

Chamberlain was an Honorable man who erred. Trump is a parody of a leader. It is as if Charles Lindbergh had won in 1940!

The only way this analogy holds is if you imagine Chamberlain at Munich denouncing the Royal Air Force and personally leaking to Hitler the secret of radar https://t.co/EitHF94Slu

— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 16, 2018


This is the darkest day in American history. A halfwit traitor stood in front of the world and applauded an evil, authoritarian enemy while disparaging the good people of his own country. Fuck everything Trump, the GOP and the people who voted for him stand for.

— Rogue WH Snr Advisor (@RogueSNRadvisor) July 16, 2018


But Obama was born in Kenya and the Central Park 5 were guilty, and but her emails.

Some of us were telling you what a shit Trump was during the primaries, but you wouldn't listen.

Trump has finally found a job he can be good at - spokesorc for the Russian Oligarchs.

Can't wait for Adolf to turn up and blame everything on CNN, Hilary, and the basement of Comet Pizza.

David said...

BTW, the rubbish was meant just for your Chamberlain comparison. The rest of your post is 100% correct.

Andrei said...

No David the entire post is rubbish

Russia had no need to "meddle" in the American electoral process, the whole system is pathological to the core in any case.

And when this obvious fact is out there for the American public to see for themselves the out of touch elites come up with a BS narrative blaming Russian bogey men in an attempt to distract the American public from their own significant misdeeds

Has there ever been a more absurd mainstream candidate for POTUS than Hillary Clinton? Ever?

I think not

The Veteran said...

David ... #1 ... Chamberlain allowed himself to be outmaneuvered by Hitler at Munich. He was also part of the Halifax cabal that sought a peace treaty with Hitler in 1940 ... a peace treaty which would have consigned the UK to vassal state status. It is not unreasonable to compare Chamberlain with Trump and #2 ... I have been a consistent critic of Trump since before his election. Don't ascribe to me something I'm not.

Andrei said...

"Chamberlain allowed himself to be outmaneuvered by Hitler at Munich"

What was Chamberlain supposed to do Veteran?

The British Army in 1938 was set up as a colonial police force, with no access to Czechoslovakia and while the British Navy was unsurpassed in the Naval realm it was usesless when it came defending Czechsolvakia's integrity because it was landlocked and surrounded on all sides by other Nations who all wanted a piece of it

Stalin wanted to use the Red Army to preserve Czechsolvakia's territorial integrity with British and French agreement but neither the British or the French would concede to that

And Stalin also knew that the British and the French would be unable to do anything to preserve Poland if Germany invaded even if they declared war and so it turned out...

David said...

Has there ever been a more absurd mainstream candidate for POTUS than Hillary Clinton? Ever?

Of course there has - Putin's Manchurian Candidate, the Tiny Tyrant who has just spent a day licking the boots of a despot.

Psycho Milt said...

From where I sit Trump has 'outchamberlained' Chamberlain.

It's kind of not as bad as that and worse than that at the same time. Not as bad, in the sense that Putin is no Hitler and central European countries aren't under imminent threat of invasion. But also worse than, in the sense that at least Chamberlain wasn't an active collaborator and sycophant of the nationalist authoritarian he was going to meet, and wasn't himself a nationalist authoritarian.

It's pretty fucked when the best thing you can say about a PotUS visit to Russia is "Well, at least Putin isn't as bad as Hitler."

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I'll.' wait until all the anti-Trumpers have had their go before I pass judgement.

Yes, many commentators who usually support the president have voiced their disapproval, along with the usual gaggle of screamers from the left. The most sensible and measured commentary I've seen is from John Hinderaker at Powerline.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/07/for-trump-the-political-is-personal.php

David said...

BANG!

The Veteran said...

Andrei ... I understand completely your support for Putin (and now his poodle).

I hope the day is soon dawning when mainstream Republicans and Democrats wrest back control of their respective parties from the Trumpist and the Clinton elitists and their fellow travelers and nominate candidates committed to the democratic ideals embodied in the US Constitution and with the integrity of purpose needed to give effect to that commitment.

David said...

Winner Of US Election Meets With Donald Trump In Helsinki.

paul scott said...


When you are going to single-handedly demolish the UN and NATO and realign world power it is wise to have an ally.
During Trump’s Presidency it is likely the USA will form written commitments with Russia.
A bilateral exit from Syria would be a major boost.
CNN, the media party, Demoncrat, Islamic Europe, and all the rest of the deplorable haters of Society can go to hell, and will.
Its always good for me to arrive in the same town as Andrei, even if we travel different roads to get here.

Snowflake said...

It’s so funny watching Adolt’s brain trying to engage on this and come up with a justification for Trump’s behaviour. Go watch Hannity; he has some lines for you. Sure they’re shrill and illogical, but it’s probably the best you’re gonna get.

Anonymous said...

Right on Walter, I'll always believe an ex KGB agent who is responsible for the deaths of 98 journalists, jailing his political opponents on trumped up charges and invading East Ukraine over the snowflake FBI, CIA and NSA dreamers....It's all Obama's fault.

I would not worry to much about NATO, apart from the US and Canada (that has no intention of leaving) it is a European based Organisation and the integrated command structure of the EU army, based on existing NATO lines, is well under way. Should Trump Sack Mattis and pull out of Europe the EU will out gun the Russian Federation to the extent that any incursions would be extremely costly...we are not talking about the military monolith that was the Soviet Union.

Lord Egbut

Andrei said...

'It's pretty fucked when the best thing you can say about a PotUS visit to Russia is "Well, at least Putin isn't as bad as Hitler."'

See out of touch with all of this you really are Milt - Trump did not go to Russia, they met in Finland.

Donald Trump got elected because the American electorate are fed up with the Washington Elites, who among other things hold the American hoi polloi in contempt.

This Russian meddling story is fucking stupid and the only reason you buy into it is because you want it to be true

The Washington establishment has been lying to and deceiving the American people for generations now and perhaps the American people are wising up to that

Putin on the other hand respects the Russian people and has earned their respect in return, which really gets up the noses of Anglos who think they are inately superior to everyone else - when in fact Anglo civilization is tired and dying in an orgy of self indulgence and self entitlement.


Anonymous said...

Andrei.........no, the current political elite played golf in Scotland at the British taxpayers expense while shamelessly promoting his venue..........double edged word is elite, isn't it? Yesterdays man of the people is today's elite.

Lord Egbut

Psycho Milt said...

...Trump did not go to Russia, they met in Finland.

Sorry, yes I knew they were meeting in Helsinki but my subconscious got the better of me. The general vibe of a sycophant sucking up to his boss clearly struck a chord.

Donald Trump got elected because the American electorate are fed up with the Washington Elites...

Call me a pedant, but people who claim they voted for a wealthy real estate developer with a private jet and a trophy wife because they've had it with "the elite" are only fooling themselves, and are obviously pretty easily fooled.

As to Putin having won the respect of the Russian people, Hitler won the respect of the German people, and through similar methods. If you want to call that good governance I can't stop you, but don't expect me to share the delusion.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Poor Milt! My heart bleeds.

"but people who claim they voted for a wealthy real estate developer with a private jet and a trophy wife because they've had it with "the elite" are only fooling themselves, and are obviously pretty easily fooled. "

Enough of them were sufficiently fooled to elect him as their president and, the way it looks, they'll do it again in 2020.

It must be a real bastard to be so intelligent when you are surrounded by millions of fools.

Anonymous said...

You under estimate the numbers of your contemporaries Walter.....

Lord Egbut

Snowflake said...

And Adolt falls back on “but he won the election”. Barely (l3 million more people voted for his flawed opponent) and wIth the great assistance of the Russians of course, and he’s been paying them back ever since. Will he be counting on them in 2020 also do you think?

Andrei said...

Most of you people are seriously off the wall - one thing Donald Trump can be counted on is causing liberals to totally spin out and demonstrate their lack of intellectual substance and logical reasoning ability.

Putin is Hitler and Trump is Neville Chamberlain - give me a break!

FFS some Washington functionary on the eve of the Trump Putin summit issues an indictment accusing some Russians of "election meddling" - it is all fucking theatre. Evertone knows this indictment will never be tested in court and its timing is deliberatly timed to try and derail the summit for American partisan political reasons and has exactly zero to do with preserving American democracy, just the converse in fact, it was conceived as a way of undermining the elected President of the USA by calling the legitimacy of his election into doubt and subverting his foreign policy

And that in my book is way more treasonous than anything DT has allegedly done

But all you tinfoil hatters on this thread think about this what is there to stop Russsia from indicting Americans for meddling in her political affairs? And there is a huge body of evidence to support American skulduggery in interfering in Russian domestic affairs and those of many other nations besides.

Not that any of you fruitloops will respond to this because you can't

The Veteran said...

But Andrei ... Trump now sez he misspoke ... that your mob did interfere in the election. And yes, the good ole US of A has interfered in the domestic politics of other nations ... two wrongs don't make a right.

Psycho Milt said...

Enough of them were sufficiently fooled to elect him as their president...

I expect most of them voted for him because he was the Republican Party candidate. My comment was specifically about Andrei's claim of people voting for him because they were fed up with elites running things.

David said...

For Andrei.

And again.

Psycho Milt said...

Not that any of you fruitloops will respond to this because you can't

Well, we can, but when you're responding to people's beliefs your response is unlikely to be accepted.

I realise that the Russian justice system works pretty much as you describe, as a tool of the people running the country, but the US justice system actually is one and is therefore difficult for the people running the country to bend to their will, as Trump has discovered.

In countries with rule of law, the leader of a government should be more inclined to take the word of their investigative agencies over the word of an autocrat hostile to their country. Hell, not even just in countries with rule of law. If it were a Russian leader sucking up to a US president and publicly disparaging Russian agencies in favour of the American's version of events, you'd probably be able to figure out why even US conversatives are furious with Trump.

David said...

I used to think Andrei was just a dickhead, but now I am sure he is a Putin bot.

...some Washington functionary ... is a distinguished former FBI director appointed Special Counsel by the Justice Department.

it was conceived as a way of undermining the elected President of the USA by calling the legitimacy of his election into doubt ... by calling him "Nigger", by asserting he was not born in the US, by attacking and undermining his every attempt to improve the lives of ordinary Americans.

And that in my book is way more treasonous than anything DT has allegedly done


Your book doesn't count, only US law is relevant. The law the Mueller is attempting to follow.

But all you tinfoil hatters on this thread think about this what is there to stop Russsia from indicting Americans for meddling in her political affairs?

Putin doesn't need indictments, he has Novochock, full control of the Police State apparatus and a history of murdering opponents.

And there is a huge body of evidence to support American skulduggery in interfering in Russian domestic affairs and those of many other nations besides.

You're a bit late to the party on this one, us woke snowflakes have known this forever.

Not that any of you fruitloops will respond to this because you can't

Proved you wrong. Again.


David said...

Enough of them were sufficiently fooled to elect him as their president and, the way it looks, they'll do it again in 2020.

The ever present Basket of Deplorables.


Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.

Babies in cages were no ‘mistake’ by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism.

There are several reasons why we believe words should be taken seriously. First, in our studies of demagogues around the world, words are usually followed by action. In Peru, when candidate Alberto Fujimori was running for office, he railed against elites; when he came into office, he acted on his fury. Hugo Chávez did the same thing in Venezuela. Further, words reflect and shape unwritten rules of behavior. When broken taboos lead to great electoral success, norms shatter and other demagogic politicians are tempted to imitate norm breakers. Norm breaking can be dangerously contagious. When a politician receives applause when threatening the press, other like-minded politicians are encouraged to do the same. In this way, a political system, sustained by shared standards of what is acceptable, can begin to deteriorate. But this is not the end of it. As language becomes more extreme, the opponents of demagogues grow frightened and feel compelled to respond in kind. A tit-for-tat extremism can be unleashed. The results are not good.

40% is all it takes for a democracy to be tipped in to a dictatorship.

Sadly, I think Adolf will still be cheering Trump even as his own family are led in to the gas ovens.

Andrei said...

"...but the US justice system actually is one and is therefore difficult for the people running the country to bend to their will, as Trump has discovered."

Sure Milt, sure.

The political classes have been using the justice system to advance thier personal aims since the time of LBJ at least if not before.

J Edgar Hoover had a file of dirt on every significant figure in Washington that LBJ would read with glee whenever he needed to presurize someone into doing what he wanted against their better judgement.

I suspect that the Russian justice system is actually more robust than the American one and the USA has a significantly higher proportion of its population incarcerated than Russia does, though Russia is pretty bad in this respect as is li'l ol' NZ

And the IRS has also been used as a weapon the powers that be use to stifle the voices of dissent who make life uncomfortable for them - the tea party movement was effectively neutralized in this way

Seriously Milt the CIA is an organization that specializes in deceit and skulduggery to advance its aims, deceit and underhand methods are its stock in trade.

Have you ever read the Pentagon Papers? Eye opening stuff

Show me hard evidence that the Russian Government interfered in the elections and I will change my tune not the word of partisan political hacks from the USA