Wednesday, June 13, 2018

Singapore Summit

Now that the dust has settled this comment by me at The Australian sums it up.

The late unlamented Joh Bejelke Petersen summed it up.

"If I walked on water the media from Mexico (NSW and Vic) would say I can't swim."

Which ever way you cut the cake, this has been a very significant win for the president.  Three months ago, not one of the so called pundits dreamed such a meeting was possible.  They didn't even mention it.

I just give thanks to God it was not Obama and Kerry meeting Kim.  They would have given him guidance systems for his nukes already preprogrammed for Los Angeles.


Hal said...

It’s so funny how easily you can be duped. Trump achieved nada, but giving a tyrant the credibility he’s always craved. Trump’s sanctions are going along with his leverage and military excercises and he got nothing in return. And did you see that bizarre video? Kim must be shocked and delighted at the moron propped up in front of him, who appeared to be actually proud of a propaganda video akin to the type of crap conmen punt up to sell their shitty townhouses. Where did that come from I wonder?

Keep the faith though, guy. He owns a bridge you might be interested in buying.

Psycho Milt said...

Can you describe for us in what ways this was a big win for the president? I can see how it was a big win for Mr Kim, but it's not obvious what Mr Trump got out of it beyond a photo op with the world's worst dictator.

David said...

Trump is all excited, he has just had his IQ tested.

"I win, I got a perfect 10" Trump tweeted. "No body ever got a 10 on an IQ test."

And this is the same useful idiot who proclaimed I never heard of a Richter scale in the high eights.

The Yellow Sea is now China and Russia's for the taking.

Noel said...

Interesting that the denuclearisation declaration defaults to the earlier declaration in Korea.
"South and North Korea confirmed the common goal of realizing, through complete denuclearisation, a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula. South and North Korea shared the view that the measures being initiated by North Korea are very meaningful and crucial for the denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula and agreed to carry out their respective roles and responsibilities in this regard. South and North Korea agreed to actively seek the support and cooperation of the international community for the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula."

David said...

Noel, add to that the "denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula" means all US nukes must be removed from South Korea. It means that South Korea will be prohibited from making its own nukes.

Trump snuggles up to a dictator while throwing the South Koreans and Japanese under the bus.

No wonder Adolf has such a man crush on Trump.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Fellers, you need to try harder. Even the Johnny Hayseeds from Nebraska and Ohio have more brains than you lot. The presidents approval rating has moved sharply upward since Monday.

Enjoy you delusions.

The Veteran said...

Hal ... as I understand it the sanctions remain in place ... for now at least. Nevertheless, you are right. Words are meaningless ... It's outcomes that matter.

To be fair to Trump (and I don't) need to be) and clearly he recognises that himself when he said he might have to acknowledge in two/three months time that he got it wrong. Time will tell.

But if Trump succeeds he will have done what no President before him has come close to doing and that would be his legacy eclipsing his many many failures.

I am surprised at those on the left who are ripping into Trump for talking to Kim. Clearly they prefer war war as opposed to jaw jaw ... Just a LITTLE surprising.

David said...

Poor old Adolt, couldn't get a kick in a street fight. Starts of lauding Trump's "achievenments" and when challenged to name some, all he can do is "wah wah Trump's popular wah wah". No one gives a fuck about Trump's popularity except Trump and Adolt. The adults want to know why cosying up to dictators gives the Right a hard on.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David I don't respond to challenges from fools. Historically, cosying up to dictators has been the preserve of the left. You mistake firm dealing with cosying up, but then you never did know black from white.

David said...

Yes, Adolf, this is the dictator you love so much.

No one in North Korea can criticise Kim and expect to live. If anyone is suspected of disloyalty, then their entire family is liable to be imprisoned or killed. Between 80,000 and 120,000 people are kept in these political concentration camps, and almost none survive or are ever released. Rape, forcible abortion, and infanticide are the policies of the camps.

And what did Trump say about any of this?

His country does love him. His people, you see the fervor. They have a great fervor.

Yes, a great fervour not to die. But keep going Adolf, I am sure Trump will reward you for your adulation.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Dvid you'd be better employed selling some poor bastard more losing lotto tickets.

David said...

I am surprised at those on the left who are ripping into Trump for talking to Kim.

It isn't just "the left", there are as many on the Right tearing Trump a new one as well.

I prefer talks to war, but Trump has achieved far less than he claims. He got a photo op with one more dictator to add to his wall, he has agreed with Kim that joint US-SK military exercises are provocative, he has promised to remove US nukes from Korea, and got to declare "peace in our time".

And how do Trump’s defenders justify this rhetoric? With faith, mainly. In the future, negotiators will hammer out the details. Surely North Korea won’t double-cross Donald J. Trump. He’s no Barack Obama. He’s no George W. Bush. He’s no Bill Clinton.

And we've been there before.

The Veteran said...

David .. stop trying to guild the lilly to make your point. The US removed its nukes from Korea back in 1991.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Vet, David has to invent things because his cupboard is bare. Earlier he had the President promising to remove US troops from South Korea.

I haven't noticed him even grudgingly accept that, all in all, good progress has been made.

Of course he, along with his lame brained leftist friends, want to convince you every last little thing had to be sorted on the day.

David said...

We've been here before. What has changed? What has Trump gained? And why do you love cosying up to dictators?

1985: North Korea acceded to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It did not, however, complete an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards agreement.

1991: U.S. President George H.W. Bush and Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev withdrew tactical nuclear weapons deployed abroad, including some based in South Korea. Months later, South Korean President Roh Tae-woo announced his country would not produce or store nuclear weapons.

1992: North and South Korea signed the Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, agreeing not to test, produce, posses, or deploy nuclear weapons, and agreeing to mutual verification inspections.

1993: North Korea gave notice of its intent to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but suspended the decision following discussions with the United States at the United Nations. At that point, U.S. intelligence agencies estimated North Korea had enough plutonium to produce one or two nuclear warheads.

1994: Jimmy Carter became the first former U.S. president to visit North Korea, where he laid the groundwork for further diplomatic talks. Later that year, the Clinton administration and North Korea signed the “Agreed Framework” to freeze North Korea’s nuclear program. Most experts agree this was the closest Washington came to a successful deal with North Korea: Pyongyang agreed to freeze construction of nuclear reactors and production of plutonium in exchange for aid, fuel shipments, and other economic benefits.

2000: Jo Myong Rok, a senior North Korean military leader, visited Washington to meet President Bill Clinton following positive signs in Pyongyang’s talks with South Korea. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright visited Pyongyang shortly thereafter. She met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Il to try and expand the Agreed Framework and prepare a potential visit by President Bill Clinton. But the talks ultimately failed.

2002: The Agreed Framework set up under Clinton broke down. President George W. Bush, who took a harder-line stance on Pyongyang than his predecessor, accused North Korea of cheating by secretly pursuing a uranium enrichment program. North Korea accused the United States of backing out of its end of the deal.

2003: Following the collapse of the Agreed Framework and North Korea’s withdrawal from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, China hosted the United States, Japan, South Korea, and Russia for semiregular rounds of talks with North Korea known as the six-party talks. Throughout the talks, Pyongyang insisted it would not give up its nuclear weapons program.

2006: North Korea conducted its first nuclear test, resparking the simmering diplomatic crisis.

2009: The six-party talks collapsed following an impasse over granting international inspectors permission to visit sites in North Korea. Despite the lack of progress on that front, former President Bill Clinton visited North Korea and successfully negotiated the release of two imprisoned American journalists.

2011: Kim Jong Il, leader of North Korea since 1994, died amid President Barack Obama’s administration’s efforts to revive peace talks. His son, Kim Jong Un, took power.

2012: President Obama tried to push Pyongyang to the negotiating table by ratcheting up sanctions. But Kim Jong Un scuppered a final deal that would have halted North Korea’s nuclear weapons program and allowed in international inspectors in exchange for U.S. aid. (Town says it is likely because Kim had to display strength to consolidate power after his father’s death.) Meanwhile, North Korea continued to make strides in its nuclear weapons program.

Psycho Milt said...

Can you describe for us in what ways progress has been made? What does this progress consist of?

David said...

What really happened in Singapore.

Hal said...

Trump saluted some NOK general, so that’s progress. He also agreed to stop military exercises with the South, and the sanctions will begin to go now, so yep, more winning*.

(*for North Korea)

David said...

Trump told Fox "News" that "that parents of soldiers killed in the Korean War asked him on the campaign trail to bring their sons home."

Korean War ends in 1953. Minus 18 years is 1935 (birth of KIA soldier). Minus another 18 years is 1917 (birth of bereaved parent). Ergo a spry 101 years old parent begs Trump. Or was he thinking of Ron Howard in M*A*S*H?