Monday, June 11, 2018

LABOUR AND THE GREENS CAPITULATE ON THREE STRIKES

Labour has been hung out to dry on their flagship policy to repeal the Three Strikes legislation with NZ First refusing to come to the 'party'.    This is a huge embarrassment for Andrew Little who went ahead with the announcement just a few days ago.   It's clear he did that without having sign-off from one of their coalition partners.   Real egg on the face stuff.

It remains to be seen if NZ First will flex their muscle on Labour's other two proposals ... to ease up of the bail and sentencing laws ... and, if they do, will Labour cave in again?

This may well embolden the Greens to withdraw their support for Winston's Waka Jumping legislation.   If they do that they will be reflecting the overwhelming weight of evidence in opposition to the Bill heard by the Select Committee.   Among those opposed to the Bill were several icons of the Green Party movement.

About to do penance for my sojourn in warmer climes.   My boss has sent me to Queenstown for the remainder of the week.    Don't expect too much blogging from me until Saturday.


21 comments:

Gerald said...

Doesn't matter contrary to Simon Bridges there is not evidence it achieved what it was set out to do.

Paulus said...

Winston's had this timing well under control - he had planned this as far back as the beginning of the year to upset Angry Little when it came before Cabinet.

The Veteran said...

Gerald ... reading you trying to shine a turd is fascinating but actually I'm more interested in the second leg of the double ... will the Greens now do the same to Winston's beloved 'stop my people walking' Bill.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Veteran.

Would that be Grutu?

Allan said...

Hopefully he will now reverse the decision to ban future exploration for gas and oil or is that just a step to far.??? The decision to keep the 3 strikes legislation will at least protect the citizens of NZ to some extent. What is now needed to ensure the continued prosperity of NZ is to reverse the Oil and Gas exploration ban. Has he got the intelligence to realise how much damage this ban will do to our living standards, who knows we will just have to wait and see. One can only hope.

Psycho Milt said...

No-one said coalition government was easy. Winston's got poll numbers to build back up and he can't do it by playing nice with his coalition partners. The coalition partners will suck it up because Winston's situation is obvious to them too. Nat supporters anxiously hoping for toys flying out of cots all round will most likely be sorely disappointed.

The Veteran said...

PM ... as I said ... have your lot got the gonads to remain true to your past stated position that waka jumping legislation is undemocratic or will you meekly cave in to expediency?

We all know what a Rod Donald and Jeanette Fitzsimons led Green Party would have done but I suspect the baubles of office count more with Shaw and Davidson.

Psycho Milt said...

Oh, please - like the National Party gets to sneer at anyone for putting realpolitik over principle!

The Veteran said...

PM ... so I guess you're saying the Greens don't have the balls to do to NZ First what NZ First did to them and Labour ... sez much.

Psycho Milt said...

It doesn't take bollocks to get diverted from the purpose you're in office and engage in pathetic tit-for-tat squabbles with geriatric political hacks, it would instead take low IQ, a lack of integrity or poor self-control. None of those are features of the Green leadership.

pdm said...

PM - I remain to be convinced about the overall integrity of the Greens parliamentary wing and the Greens as a group generally although I do know a few individual Green members in the provinces who are people of the highest integrity.

The Veteran said...

PM ... the Me Too debacle = integrity ... Polite cough.

The Veteran said...

Taking time-out in Queenstown ... bracing weather.

PDM ... your comment. I am friendly with a top professional couple who were involved with the Green Party for years providing high quality advice on environmental matters much of which was incorporated into GP policy ... OK, fair to say I would take issue with some of that advice but that's politics. They do however have my respect as people of total integrity.

They are taking a break from active involvement with the Green Party over the Me Too affair and are looking for a new home.

Their integrity vs the current Green Party integrity and I know who I would take.

Psycho Milt said...

Fine, but the Green Party's leadership is more interested in current and potential-future Green voters' perceptions of integrity than in National voters' perceptions, for fairly obvious reasons. From my perspective, every one of the Greens' leaders since the party's inception could give both Labour and National lessons in integrity, not that either would pay any attention to something so politically disadvantageous.

Anonymous said...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12067112

Anonymous said...

Psycho: Having just read what you've written I feel certain I could give you a "lesson in integrity." There, is that sufficiently pompous for me to sound like an embittered leftie?

Cadwallader

pdm said...

Milt - I take it from your 12.26 that you continue to support Turei.

And the integrity there is???

Psycho Milt said...

PDM: all over the news last week were stories about the previous government's war on drugs leading them to make families homeless, pursue the already-destitute for ludicrous sums of money and declare state houses uninhabitable in the middle of a housing crisis, all for no purpose whatsoever beyond allowing Minister Bennett and HNZ to boast about how tough they were on drug addicts. Now, if you can find all that perfectly above-board but find someone talking about their actual lived experience of poverty to be lacking in integrity, I don't believe there's any common ground for us to meet on when it comes to this subject.

pdm said...

Milt - nice try at diversion but I would prefer you to answer this question = do you condone Turei's admitted benefit fraud?

As far as the P issue you raise is concerned that has nothing to do with my question - however in saying that I would not want any member of my family living in a house contaminated in any way by P. Plus I have never had any faith in Dr. Gluckman and could never understand why John Key appointed him so would not be surprised if the P issue took another turn in the future..

Psycho Milt said...

Do you condone National's admitted war on the poor?

Some questions are premised in such a way as to be hardly any better than "Have you stopped beating your wife?" People usually refuse to answer such questions with a yes or no, for obvious reasons.

Re my views on Turei, they're well canvassed in this post: Talking Past Each Other.

pdm said...

Milt - given that the National led government had a strategy to lift individuals from financial hardship it looks a sight better than this lots supposed war on poverdy which seems designed to hammer the disadvantaged.