Thursday, April 19, 2018


The theme for this year’s RSA Poppy Appeal, not all wounds bleed, highlights the fact that mental health injuries are the most common, but least understood, of all wounds suffered by New Zealand servicemen and women. 

75% of New Zealand's veterans with a mental health injury resulting from their service are under the age of 45. 

Please give generously.



Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy said...

And there are too many of our era whose wounds have been obscured by the Agent Orange myth.

My hope is that the current RSA focus will finally enable this 'elephant in our room' to be exposed.

Anonymous said...

Yep and I will remember:
My grandfather who went ashore at Galipoli, and survived the Western Front
My Uncle who fought at El Alemain and only at his funeral did I learn he had the MC for wiping at a 88m crew with a Thompson sub machine gun.
My other uncle who inlisted at 16 lying about his age and took a turrent full of 20mm shells as a Wellington rear gunner.
My wifes father who worked in SOE running agents ashore on the Italian coast in a fishing boat.
I will also remember his brother going ashore as an 18 year sapper on Juno Beach, one of the first into Europe, and one of the first into Bergen Belsen.
Also I will remember my best mates grandfather, a Muru Paenga from Northland, died at the Railway station at Cassino.
Foremost I will remember my father 6 years with the RAF, 2 tours of the Middle East, 5 Bomber Group, the elite of the RAF.

They all suffered physical and mental wounds, they never talked about it or their war, but I guess it was a different age.

That is why I always give generously

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


I'm sad to tell you the majority of Australians aged between 15 and 30 I talk to haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

That is why Poppy Day and ANZAC Day are so important.

Anonymous said...

It is great to see in New Zealand that ANZAC day is growing, that the young generation are attending in increasing numbers because NZ, like Australia had one of the highest casualty rates per capita anywhere in the world except Russia.

Besides if you read Monash's biography by Roland Perry you realise the huge contribution that Australia made to victory in WW1, first by stopping the March 1918 German break through, and then Monash's brilliant plan for the Allied break through in turn, (halted by the stupidity of Haig). The WW2 German generals freely admitted they used Monash's plan for the Blitzkreik idea.

OK Australia was not so prominent in WW2 as it seems McArthur had some issue with you. Little known fact NZ had a higher absolute casuality rate after 1942 than Australia despite being 5 times smaller!

Anonymous said...

Rossco.....probably not the time and place to argue about national pride but I think your figures are little skewed. NZ WW1 deaths 1.56% of pop... France 4.29%, UK 1.91%, Russia 1.62%.

These are low estimates.

Lord Egbut

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George said...

When the RSA was in its glory those who fought in later campaigns were ignored when they applied to join.
J Force who were stationed in Japan and oversaw the return to peace.
K Force who fought in the Korean Campaign.
The boys who went to Malaya during the Confrontation and Insurrection.
The boys who went to Vietnam.
And the others who served
Army, Navy and Air Force.
Two examples
Brother 2 year in Malaya was not permitted to join the RSA until the wanks were outranked.
Brother in law 161 Bat joined in a rural RSA told to take his fathers RSA badge back when he lined up to join a city RSA .

Exnavy and I never bothered with the RSA until I was in Hospital with a serious disorder and the RSA visitor couldn't have been more pleasant and caring....

The Veteran said...

Alan Hancox 8.55 ... your comment deleted. Wrong thread.

David said...

TY Vet. I wanted to reply, but felt this was the wrong place. If Alan wishes to post in correct thread, then I will challenge him.

Gerald said...

"And there are too many of our era whose wounds have been obscured by the Agent Orange myth."
Well that could have been corrected easily if not for the protracted interference by the RSA and other in the early adoption of the RMA SOPs.
Here is a review I am assisting with.
The claimant had made his first claim in 2004.
In 2005 he was given false hope when the TOR’s of the Joint Working Group on concerns of Vietnam Veterans were published.
In the NZ Herald on November 2006 one of the members of the working group is quoted as saying he shared the anger of veterans given the” narrow field of accepted medical conditions”
One of the outcomes of the 2006 MoU was the establishment of Ministerial Advisory Group panel which he thought might help but then learned it was to be empowered only to recommend changes where there was evidence to raise existing accepted conditions to be moved to provide greater benefits from the higher position on the NAS list.
In 2009 after the MoU had bedded in he made another claim cancer claim. He highlighted the relevant RMA Statement of Principle. Again it was declined on the basis it did not appear in the Presumed List and he had not provided evidence of causation.
This decision was hypocritical because VANZ were accepting conditions on the Presumed List whose scientific level of evidence was that of an association and not causality. In fact there is only one condition of the NAS IOM Matrix that supports causality and that applies to Gulf War Veterans.
When the Ministerial Group of Veterans Health reported back the reason the RMA Sops were not been advocated became clear. “Unlike the Australian Statement of Principles the approach that has been taken in New Zealand is that the time in theatre and factors relating to the levels of exposure do not need to be taken into consideration.” In short for a small number of conditions there is a shortcut to entitlement.
Naturally the only submission from the Ex Vietnam Services Association was for the elevation of prostate cancer to ex gratia level. The Ministerial Group, amongst other material included the appropriate SOP in their deliberations illustrating that there was a de facto use of the RMA SOPs but only when it suits.
At the Law Commission roadshow the President of the RNZRSA deflected discussion on the RMA SOPs claiming they were prescriptive and not presumptive.
When the new Act became Law in 2014 he waited thinking perhaps VANZ would review previously declined claims and reassess as the time for him to ask for a review had well expired.
In late 2016 he tested the waters by applying for a secondary condition caused by the cancer.
This was accepted and he was invited to make a claim for the cancer thirteen years after the original claim. If the RMA SOPS had been advocated earlier this time could have been substantially reduced.

The Veteran said...

Gerald ... one would hope that the Paterson Review will clear up those anomalies ... but I'm not holding my breath.

Sheesh ... the NZDF did not even have the courtesy to acknowledge my submission.

But all this should not detract from the Poppy Day Appeal.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't look like an anomaly. More like one group looking out for themselves at the expense of another.