Wednesday, April 25, 2018


They shall grow not old
as we who are left grow old
Age shall not weary them
nor the years condemn
At the going down of the sun
and in the morning
We shall remember them


Anonymous said...

actually it's

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning

We will remember them.

Shelldrake said...

Thank you veteran for your expression of the sentiment of remembrance.

We will, shall, did and continue to Rememberthem.

Ubique, Onward and Honi Soit qui Mal y Pense

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I went along to the dawn service in Bunbury. It was the first time in Australia I have seen on Anzac Day any serious evidence that NZers landed at Gallipoli. The Ode was recited in Maori and Ka Mate Ka Mate was performed.

As an aside, all the speakers referred to men who had served. A 'B' grade choir sang some awful ditty called Band of Brothers after which Brigadier Hand spoke. He opened with "We've just heard a song 'Band of Bothers' and I want to remind you I have served with many sisters.

Bravo, Brigadeer.

My guess is there were over 3,000 people there.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

And now, the icing on the cake.

Father Kuzie (yes) Tuhura was slated to recite 'The Ode,' in Maori, which he did. He followed with an impromptu and vigorous performance of Ka Mate.

It's the talk of the town.

Apparently he's been heard to remark that he doesn't think they will invite him back next year.

David said...

The Australian experience of Gallipoli.

The Australian experience of Vietnam.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


Did you have something to say?

Anonymous said... they are singing a song in memory of the 50,000 Australians killed at Gallipoli. Give me a break, just more nationalistic nonsense. About eight thousand dead (which is enough) the British and the French bore the brunt of the deaths 73,000 and 10,000 respectively.

Just been reading Walters favourite paper Bunbury Mail......fill of bullshit about about storming ashore under relentless machine gun fire etc etc.......where do they get this crap from?

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Correction........UK and Ireland deaths 21, Brit casualties were 78,000.

Lord Egbut

Paranormal said...

Legbut, you are like an accountant that knows the cost but not the value.

What proportion of the respective populations do the various statistics you quote represent?

My great uncle still remains at Gallipoli. His service certificate is on our remembrance wall at home.

Shelldrake said...

Nothing like a bloody argument. Who is right, who is wrong? Who cares?
What we all know is that the landings at Gallipoli took place on the 15th April 1915 and that a bloody and awful campaigntook place until Dec 15.

Thousands on each side of the conflict died, were physically and mentally afflicted and untold numbers of family members were affected for life.

Stop nitpicking and just remember them all,

Anonymous said...

YES SIR Gunna do this and do that.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I phoned up the Bunbury RSL today and thanked them for an excellent dawn service. Told them it was a stroke of genius on their part to have included the haka Ka Mate Ka Mate in the ceremony as it is used as a rousing call to battle and a mark of respect for the fallen warrior.

Figured good old Father Kuzie could use some help.

Anonymous said...

Just what you need at a solemn remembrance service that commemorates those killed by violence........a war dance. I'm afraid the cultural niceties will be lost on the West Australians who are not as enthusiastic about the ANZAC myth as those on the east coast....... Tokyo, Nui Dat, Singapore, Long Tan are all closer to Perth than Auckland. Proximite concentrates the mind somewhat.

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ledgut finally reveals his truly disgraceful colours.

ANZAC is a myth! Really?

That must be why so many people turn out on April 25th.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ledgut again shows his gross ignorance.

"..commemorates those killed by violence...."

From Wiki:-

".....Te Rauparaha composed "Ka Mate" circa 1820 as a celebration of life over death after his lucky escape from pursuing Ngāti Maniapoto and Waikato enemies...."

Go and have another glass of pernod with your surrender monkey friends.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The poor bastard is so obsessed he's sitting there in his undies reading the Bunbury Mail?????

Hell, I don't waste my time reading that rag or the idiot letters to The Times.

David said...

I reckon I'd rather have a glass of Pernod with an intelligent gent than a biter lemon with someone who gets his history from The Simpsons.

According to historian Niall Ferguson: "of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 – more than Austria (47) and England (43). Out of 168 battles fought since 387BC, they have won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10."

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

More of that biter lemon might do you some good.

Anonymous said...

Time Walter tried to do his own research before kneejerking...

There seems to be some misunderstanding about our past relationship with Australia which is based on joint military adventures. This is largely a myth.

Boer war....the separate Colonies of Australia made contributions of men and material and in 1901 became an Australian army on federation. The Australians fought several campaigns with the Canadians but the New Zealanders fought alongside British regiments. Never did they fight together in fact there were always several hundred kilometres between them.

First world war.......the great ANZAC experiment lasted three years from late 1914 until 1917 when the last ANZAC division (ANZAC 2) which consisted of a NZ brigade and two British brigades was renamed as a British corp. The Australians had gone one way and we went another. The Australians fought closely with the Canadians and latterly with the emergent US army. The New Zealand division was a part of a British army many miles from the Australian centre of operations.

Second world war.......Although we shared convoys with the Australians to the middle east we never actually fought together as, once again the Australians and New Zealanders were hundreds of miles apart and under different commands. The only recorded time the anzacs fought together was in the mad scramble of the Greek retreat where units of different commands accidentally found themselves together. The Australians left the European theatre in 1943 because of the Japanese threat whereas we continued with the British army in Italy until cessation of hostilities. When the NZ Govt. decided to form a second NZ division to fight the the Japanese one would have thought that we would join our hardpressed Anzac allies in New Guinea, but no we went off and joined a US command in a rather pointless campaign on Green Island ( 10 KIA).

Korea........NZ 16th Field regiment (artillery) was a part of the British Commonwealth division and one of 15 artillery regiments, none of which were Australian, to serve in with the division. However, once again the Australian infantry (3RAR) worked closely with and made several coordinated attacks with the Canadians (Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry) now has to wonder if the Canadians are not the inheritors of the Anzac mantle.

Vietnam......the first gazetted ANZAC cooperation since 1915. Well nearly, the Australian army did not want us and we initially sent a four gun Battery which is about as much use as three legged racehorse. It was not until the two infantry companies were integrated into RAR battalions that we were grudgingly accepted as a useful contribution but not as equal partners.

The various political parties on both sides of the pond trot out the ANZAC myth when is suits them but it means nothing and has no bearing on political decisions.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The only thing worse than straw men are the lengthy ravings of the fools who produce them.

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... I think you ignore the fact that until the early 1970's all our regular officers were trained in Australia and indeed there has always been a certain cross pollination between the armed forces of both countries. In WW1 the first Oz soldier to be awarded a VC was a Kiwi (Capt James Shout, VC, MC) while you would well remember that Oz Beverley was a member of 'our' mob. One of many.

While you are right that there was no formal integration of units until Vietnam the reality is that in Korea NZ Regt officers served with RA Inf Battalions while 16 Fd Regt was in DS of 3RAR in the Battle of Kapyong.

In Vietnam the four gun battery you refer to was an anomaly (actually it was a five gun battery as they utalised their 'spare' on the gun line) but that only lasted a short time until sanity prevailed and they were up-gunned into the standard six gun battery. Morrie Stanley and his FO Party wrote themselves into Oz history at Long Tan while 161 Bty played a crucial role at both at battles at FSB Coral and FSB Balmoral.

You failed to mention Timor where our battalion was under commend of Qz MGen Peter Cosgrove nor Bougainvill where the TMG was led by NZL supported by forces from Oz, Fiji and Vanuatu.

Today NZ Army officers are still trained in Oz (ADFA) as are are most Navy PWOs. Senior Officers attend JSSC at Queenscliff. There is now probably more cross/joint training between the military of both countries than at any other time in our history.

I am not sure why you would want to downplay the ANZAC legacy.