Wednesday, March 7, 2018

THERE ARE SOME WHO STILL SAY THE HOLOCAUST WAS A HOAX

Perhaps they should watch this previously classified film.   Not nice.

Holocaust deniers will of course argue the film was a fake shot in Hollywood or Bollywood or wherever.

The David Irvings of this world are sad sad people.

26 comments:

Andrei said...

Holocaust denial is stupidity

But the Holocaust has the unfortunuate effect of casting WW2 as the "good war" which it wasn't

It wasn't even one war - it was a series of conflicts that coalesced into an event that cost around 150 million lives - Over 2 million Bengalis starved to death in 1943 when Great Britain took their crops to feed the English population and their armies in the field but shhh we wont talk about that

The Veteran said...

Andrei ... Fair comment.

Noel said...

Equally sad are those who followed and never learned from it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll

Andrei said...

Good ol' wikipedia Noel tsk tsk

What happened to the North American Indians?

What happened to the native Tasmanians?

Ever heard of the Irish Potato famine?

Using the "g" word is sometimes a political convenience for people with axes to grind or " And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

We can all agree the death factories set up by Nazi Germany are one of the great horrors in human history

And human history contains many other horrors besides

David said...

Yep, Andrei is right, and most of the genocides wikipedia lists occurred before Hitler, and many of those that followed had a similar reasoning - a hatred of the other, a religious dispute, in fact, the same thing we see here day after day with the demonising of refugees, Muslims, POC, in fact anyone who isn't a WASP.

Anonymous said...

WW2 was never about sticking up for the Jews.

Neither the UK nor the US cared one fig about dealing to Hitler to protect the Jews, it was all about stopping the megalomaniac from overtaking the remaining free countries of Europe.

I have 50 cents that says that if Hitler had not invaded Poland and had still rounded up and exterminated all the Jews in Germany/Austria/Czechoslovakia the rest of the world would have rung their hands and turned a Nelson's eye.

The only time in history when the thoughts of the World vaguely turned to assist the Jewish people was for a few short years after 1945.

Otherwise it was business as usual, the Jews are seen at best as a nuisance, at worst a font of all trouble. For most of the world, life would be so much easier if the Jews just disappeared.

The rational behind it? Unfathomable - maybe it has something to do with the fact that the Jews brought to the world the troublesome 10 commandments.

A pricked conscience has made men do many awful things.

Jimmie

Andrei said...

... in fact, the same thing we see here day after day with the demonising of refugees, Muslims, POC, in fact anyone who isn't a WASP

Vet doesn't like Russians, nor does Egbut - thinks they have bombed Yugoslavia, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq and Libya or something

TV One news was all breathless about the poisoning of a Russian defector and his daughter this evening - spectacular stuff from the world of spooks Lex luther aka Vladimir Putin dun it no doubt about it - no evidence or logic needed

That's how you beguile your innocent sheepish population into wars that are not in their best interests - the yellow press are in full flight.

Next round in the endless war coming up I suspect

I'm depresssed

Andrei said...

"Neither the UK nor the US cared one fig about dealing to Hitler to protect the Jews, it was all about stopping the megalomaniac from overtaking the remaining free countries of Europe."

Well we know that - the "Ship of the Damned". In 1939 just before the outbreak of WW2 a passenger ship the MV St Louis carrying aboit 1000 German Jews crossed the Atlantic bound for Cuba. The Jews had visas for Cuba but there was an outbreak of anti semitism there and their visas were rescinded while in transit and they were not allowed to disembark

So the Captain set sail for the USA but was told from the Whitehouse no less that his passengers would not be given entry - the USA Navy shadoweed the ship to ensure the Captain didn't ground it.

Then they tried Canada and again were told to fuck off - running out of food and supplies the Captain had no choice but to head for Europe and disembarked his passengers in Belgium who took some, the Netherlands took some and England took some

WW2 started a couple of days later

Noel said...

Andrei I identified that the World never learned from the experience. Looking closer there are probably heaps of unrecorded event, not in wiki, but that doesn't change the fact that genocides continued to blight the planet after WWII

Psycho Milt said...

TV One news was all breathless about the poisoning of a Russian defector and his daughter this evening - spectacular stuff from the world of spooks Lex luther aka Vladimir Putin dun it no doubt about it - no evidence or logic needed

Good luck trying to convince the Brits that this time it's purely coincidence and entirely unrelated to the Russian government that a Russian defector has a mysterious and wildly unlikely "accident" in the UK. No doubt when they find out what this guy and his daughter were exposed to and point the finger at Putin, the Russian foreign minister will be trotted out for one of those hilarious "It wasn't us! And anyway, you can't prove it!" speeches.

Anonymous said...

Pretty much agree with Andrie on most points except my dislike of Russians. I admire them enormously but I do not like the political systems yesterday, today or tomorrow. The Russian mentality does not lend itself to a fair political system....they hijacked Communism very early in the piece for personal power and they hijacked democracy for the same reason.

The Russian was not a defector he was a spy that had been exchanged for "innocent" Russian diplomats bagged by Obama's admin in the US. The list of Russian murders and "suicides" on British soil is long and involved. The same thing is happening in Spain and Portugal so when the Russian foreign minister suggested the couple may have had heart attacks I pebble dashed the walls with my Muesli.

Wiki has the list but this article goes some way to joining the dots..... https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.wsVJBz8GQ#.bxb0ErN41

Lord Egbut of Bunbury

Andrei said...

Hey Milt - the World Cup starts in Russia in June - we know the West would do anything they can to rain upon that parade

Why would the Russian Government pull off very publically in Great Britain a dastardly deed that bring great opprobrium upon them?

Occams razor old chap

Noel said...
Andrei I identified that the World never learned from the experience. "


And you are living proof of that with your blind acceptance that the Russians are the baddies

"Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Anonymous said...

It now seems it was a nerve agent either Sarin or VX that was used on the Russian couple, thank heavens for that as it puts the Russians in the clear. Everybody knows you can buy this sort of stuff down the pub and is frequently used by hooded yobs trying to nick mobile phones. Pass on my apologies to Vlad please Andrei.

Lord Egbut of Bunbury

Psycho Milt said...

Why would the Russian Government pull off very publically in Great Britain a dastardly deed that bring great opprobrium upon them?

You do have to wonder. Maybe we could ask Alexander Litvinenko, if he hadn't been killed via a dastardly deed that brought great opprobrium on the Russian government, that is.

For my part I don't see any great mystery there. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and people who can act with impunity tend to do so. No need to ponder over the "Surely they wouldn't dare..." stuff.

Snowflake said...

According to Andrei Occam’s Razor would inidicate a false flag operation by foreign security services to discredit the Russians on the eve of the World Cup. Good one buddy. Or maybe the Russians did it, just like last time.

Andrei said...

May I remind you that World War 1 was triggered by a 19 year old looser with a pistol in an obscure town in the Balkans who got "lucky" and managed to assinate ArchDuke Franz Ferdinand and his wife

Or that the cassus beli for Hitler invading Poland was an attack on a German Radio Station carried out by the Germans themselves who dressed the corpses prisoners in Polish uniforms and laid them around the radio station

The anti Russian rhetoric has been dialed up over the past 4 years and I have believed for a while that there are elements in the Western establishment who are itching for a war

And I think we are going to get it.

And when it is over the survivors if any will ask themselves how the fuck did we let that happen?

Consider this the victim in this case had a 13 year sentence in Russia of which he served 5, he could of been disposed of then without anybody being any the wiser

There are multiple ways he could have been murdered without arousing any suspicion

But instead two weeks before an election and three months before the world cup he is attacked with a nerve agent in a public place in quiet English provincial town in a manner guaranteed to provoke widespread attention and a deep emotional response

Ask yourself - is it more likely to be the Russian Government or someone tryung to create problems for them who are behind this?

Anonymous said...

Sorry Andrei that doesn't wash. He was named as as prisoner swap. What you don't do is kill your named prisoners.

So what you are saying is MI6/CIA/Wiltshire Plod introduced a rare highly sophisticated nerve agent in order to fuck up the world cup. You are stupid beyond belief if you think anyone is going to fall for that.....the only other people with the motive, opportunity and connections are anti Putin elements in the Russian military. Do you really think in open society the Brits would pull a stunt like this? You are as twisted as a box of snakes. Oh and the poor Plod that went to couples aid is now critical. I am angry beyond belief.

Lord Egbut

George said...

So long as we 'never forget'
Keep the films and the records of the Holocaust as a reminder of what man does to man.
Just never go there again

Andrei said...

"So what you are saying is MI6/CIA/Wiltshire Plod introduced a rare highly sophisticated nerve agent in order to fuck up the world cup."

Never accused anyone Egbut - but the Brits being behind/involved it is the least likely scenario

This is all taking place in a shadow world where deceit rules - might not be a state actor at all, or it might be a state actor using organized crime to accomplish its goals

We will probably never know the truth because if the Brits do get to the bottom of it, it probably would not be in the governments interests to let the peasantry know

Anonymous said...

Smoke and mirrors.......Putin is on record as saying all traitors will die. He is the the new Stalin and you know it. Fear is is the only thing that has kept the Russian state going for the last 100 years.

Lord Egbut of Bunbury

David said...

Andrei, this has Volodya's fingerprints all over it. Nerve agents don't generally exist in the wild. Commander Heel Spurs and his BBF Volodya are tearing the civilised world apart. Volodya knows exactly what he is doing, the Orange Cheeto in Chief is simply his puppet.

Look out for Mueller to be the next to be "offed" as he gets closer and closer to draining the Trump sewer.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David, you have liquid idiocy flowing through your veins.

Don't you know 'people who are familiar with the matter' is code for 'I'm just making this shit up because you suckers will believe anything.'

The Bunbury Baker said...

Keep digging, Adolf, Keep digging. The Trumpistas are going down.

David said...

George Nader, a Lebanese American businessman who helped organize and attended the Seychelles meeting, has testified on the matter before a grand jury gathering evidence about discussions between the Trump transition team and emissaries of the Kremlin, as part of Mueller’s investigation into Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 election.

Nader began cooperating with Mueller after he arrived at Dulles International Airport in mid-
January and was stopped, served with a subpoena and questioned by the FBI, these people said. He has met numerous times with investigators.


It is unravelling fast for Commander Heel Spurs.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David

You have it slightly wrong.

"It is unravelling fast for Herr Meullerr"

Anonymous said...

Third world superpower with first world armed services demolishes its totalitarian communist state system. Chaos ensues. Briefly under the guidance of a pisshead until strongman emerges.
Country's enormous resources get strip mined with idiotic wealth for a few and proceeds disappear offshore. Easy money.
Former communist party apparatus morphs into mafia and state security carve off some of the big money turf; leave civil police some territory to shakedown middle class commerce. Poor slobs further down the chain contemplate an existence of drinking heavily, marrying a foreigner, or finding a church where the bishops don't sport diamond Rolex watches.
Country starts to look like a cold Saudi Arabia. Oil money sees some cities get shiny skyscrapers and shiny cars but the rest is a desert with trees and no infrastructure. Oligarchs use wealth to buy politicians and mayors in order to safeguard territory while foreign powers break deals and agitate in border states. Strong man whacks both on the snout. Oligarchs flee offshore or eat prison porridge. Foreign states impose sanctions. Country starts to grind its way up again using internal resources, not foreign debt. Hebrews not thrilled. Strong man gets demoted to 'nasty bugger' by press. Bloggers blog.
FSB gets go-ahead to whack individual enemies of the state, foreign and domestic. Oligarchs who got away with the loot and their dodgy foreign compradors start getting murdered. Local cops bungle investigations. Bloggers start blogging in earnest.
Meanwhile another superpower busy with the self annointed task of blowing to chops the populations of non-Hebraic middle east countries, finds the time to have an election. Bad woman loses the election, squeals like a pig and blames foreign strongman. Is supported by lawyers and generals sporting lots and lots of ribbons.
Former country's military and foreign affairs minister run rings around middle east extreme and moderate terrorists. Announces change in nuclear doctrine and capability. Everybody unhappy with change in script.
Press and bloggers further reduce strongman to substantive rank of 'thug', effective immediately, [but with no loss in pay or seniority].

The Russian power structure seems to me to be a very uneasy non-aggression pact between ruthless groups clipping the ticket. The key word is 'power' Evil doesn't limit itself, it has to be limited - by force. By what force? Nobody is going to get to be its leader by being a nice man in the face of the ensconced fierce operators of the stautus quo. Democratic process? - its no time for jokes. If Mr Putin is indeed the patriotic reformer his PR promotes, then he will have to bide time, ally, divide and conquor, all while keeping the rest of the world outside the wire. His longevity is about as assured as some oligarch's.

Russia is in a very difficult period, in between two other, very difficult, periods.

Mick