Monday, March 12, 2018

LABOUR PARTY ... THE DEVELOPING STORY

What we know so far ... teenagers attending a Labour Party Summer Youth Camp in the Coromandel; were sexually assaulted by ???????


St Jacinda was blindsided when the matter was raised  at her post cabinet news conference.   Seems Labour Party apparatchiks were determined to cover the matter up.

So much for Labour being concerned about 'our' vulnerable youth.   What about 'their' vulnerable youth?

The BIG question ... why weren't the police informed?

Snowflake to Labour Party HQ ... what line should I take Sir.   Labour Party HQ to Snowflake ... see rule 101 ... blame National.   Snowflake to Labour Party HQ ... not sure that will work this time but I'll give it a go.

65 comments:

Anonymous said...

A twenty year old got pissed and did something stupid, just like the twenty year olds under your command........ "Kirton told Newstalk ZB he did not believe any of the victims had made a police complaint but said they were all aware they would have the party's full support if they wished to do so."

This does not precipitate the fall of Government or acknowledge that Trumpetism is alive and well in the Labour party.

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Lrdgut the apologist. or is it apologeist?

Anonymous said...

Yawn...did somebody say something?

Lord Egbut

No Longer Baking in Bunbury. said...

No, my Lord, someone has just had one too many swigs from the Swan.

Snowflake said...

In this case Adolt won’t try to deny the events happened or calll the accusers liars. Curious.

As for the relish with which “The Veteran” rushes into print, you gotta wonder about his concern for the victims. I mean the opportunity to turn this to the political advantage of the right by trumps all, right?

Johno said...
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Johno said...

As always, the hypocrisy demonstrated by the lefties is breathtaking.
But Egbut's comment, trivializing sexual assault as some sort of silly youthful hijinks is absolutely despicable.

Snowflake said...

That right Johno? Interesting, buddy. Why would you say that?

Johno said...

I deleted that comment because it made light of a serious incident. The point I was trying to make as that lefties made a lot of noise about Bishop but some are very quiet about this, or even actively minimising it. The more I thought about it the more I realised how sick these people are.

Psycho Milt said...

The developing story that some people had a party and one of the people at it was an arsehole? Quick! The government must ban parties immediately! Won't somebody please, please think of the children?!?

The BIG question ... why weren't the police informed?

Because the Labour Party doesn't get to decide whether individuals lay complaints with the police or not. I know that right-wingers tend towards the authoritarian, but does National really want to go down that track?

Anonymous said...

I recall the indignant clamour from the Left regarding John Key touching a ponytail, yet here it seems an actual sexual assault has happened and Labour officials are leaving it to the victims to contact the police. An abdication of responsibility? Of course lefties don't wear the mantles of responsibility preferring instead the mantles of entitlement. Filthy hypocrites all of them!

Cadwallader

The Veteran said...

Snowflakes et al ... might it just be that those assaulted were 'heavied' into NOT making a formal complaint ... put Party before self ... and why were the parents not told.

So many questions ... Who supplied the alcohol? Was it sold? If so, did 'they' have the required license? Was there a breech of s241 of the S&SoL Act? Why did the 'supervisor' go to bed at 9.00 pm? Was she pissed? Was the alleged assailant a member of the Executive of Labour Youth and, if so, what position does he hold?

So few answers.




pdm said...

You can do a lot at Labour Party events.

Remember the Labour fellow (Ovens I think) who clobbered some poor sod with a megaphone. He got away with it too.

Anonymous said...

Veteran.....Who gives a shit. Whose platoon dug under the wire at Nui Dat to relieve ASCO of several cartons of Fizzy, even that after the event the platoon commader had full knowledge of he theft? Were there not a members of a platoon who "mutinied" failed to obey orders after drinking to excess but the whole episode was quietly put to bed.........Me, you and a whole lot of society are getting old and when the balls dry up and the liver hoists the white flag we tend to get a bit forgetful.

Lord Egbut

Johno said...

PsychoMilt: you have just equated sexually assaulting someone with "being an asshole"???

This is beyond belief.

Andrei said...

Get a grip people

Human beings are sexual creatures - there a very few who get through life without being subject to unwanted sexual advances

Add young people and alcohol to the mix and what happened here is almost inevitable.

That is why is more sensible times we erected cultural fences to prevent this sort of incident

Things like school dances with adult chapherones where young people could negotiate the very tricky business of human courtship in a safe and controlled manner

Now we have thrown that all away and on one hand popular culture presents an image where everyone is screwing like rabbits and at the same time when men in particular behave that way or attempt to do they so are cucified

We in our progressive wisdom have thrown the rulebook away and then rewrite the rules to further political agendas

Anonymous said...

Johno: You are right. Psycho isn't. He overlooks the fact the gathering was a Party function which included minors. The organisers on behalf of the Party were in loco-parentis to those minors and ought to have acted promptly in contacting the police. I see tihs as the nub of the issue and for which Taxinda is presently lying through her (enormous) teeth.

Cadwallader

Anonymous said...

Mmmm...I see a lot of interest here from people who have never been to a NZ party. It is whole different thing than "parties" in other parts of the world.

Storm in a teacup "20 year old gets pissed and gropes young woman" end of. Oh I forgot I did the same but she told her boyfriend.....the swelling went down after a week.

Johnno, Cadwallader, Andrie ......do share anything in common apart from a lack of empathy.

Lord Egbut

Paranormal said...

The issue I see here, as a father of teenagers, is that the parents were not informed.

We get the same thing from school where our children can go through significant events and yet the school feels they don't need to let the parents know so we can support our children through what may be a traumatic event for them.

Following the indentured, oops I mean intern, workers issue at last years election this really is not a good look for a party that is supposedly 'progressive' - whatever that means.

Seems the party just can't escape the Darren Hughes deviant meme when it comes to youth.

Andrei said...

I don't have a lack of empathy Egbut

I live in the real world with its real hazards that have to be negotiated

Its like those stupid slutwalkers who claim it is their "right" to dress like a prostitute, get drunk in a singles bar and then feel hard done by when they receive unwanted sexual attention...

The world is an imperfect and often dangerous place and sexual desire is a powerful force like nuclear energy - it needs to be contained and it cannot be contained by wishful thinking

Johno said...

Ardern is claiming she knew nothing of this. However she was at the even earlier. *And* she has been to plenty of these events in the past and she knows bloody well that they end up with drunken behaviour, has tweeted by party outcast Tat Loo (Colonial Viper from The Standard)

https://tinyurl.com/y9xkzmjv

Ardern knew there would be drunken behaviour with teenagers present because she's been through it herself. This story is not going away (if the MSM do their bloody job).

Johno said...

Here she is pretending to know nothing about the boozing, but Tat Loo says she's been to tons of these events and there's always been boozing.

Ardern's being very shifty and loose with the truth.

Johno said...

Meant to link this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=190039

Q: How cam you tell when a politician is lying?

A: Her lips are moving.

Anonymous said...

Don't go down Karangahape Rd on a Saturday night otherwise you Dudley Dorights might be in for a shock.........Jeeez Veteran, look what you have done, all these foreign wowsers suddenly speak as one.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Prats go wild at St Trinians ball, housemistress shocked, shocked, promises severe admonition, police not required, parents don't need to know, in house, blah blah..

Mick

Johno said...

Apparently if Trump talks about "grabbing them (adult female) by the pussy" it's an outrage on a global scale. When somebody at a Labour youth camp actually does "grab them (underage drunk female) by the pussy" it's not than big of a deal. It's just someone "being an asshole".

Such is the incomprehensible hypocrisy and moral corruption of the left.

Andrei said...

" Apparently if Trump talks about "grabbing them (adult female) by the pussy" it's an outrage on a global scale. When somebody at a Labour youth camp actually does "grab them (underage drunk female) by the pussy" it's not than big of a deal. It's just someone "being an asshole"."

Exactly Johno double stands you can drive a double dekka bus through

Alloytoo said...

This is apparently the sort of event that produced our Prime Minister.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The party of no hoper gropers.

Pretty much sums them up.

Psycho Milt said...

I recall the indignant clamour from the Left regarding John Key touching a ponytail...

Not "touching a ponytail" but pulling a woman's hair repeatedly after being asked not to. Regardless: I'm certainly happy to have John Key's behaviour put into the same category as this arsehole. And yes, the media and public do tend to expect a higher standard of behaviour from the country's prime minister than they do of some unknown dumbass at a party.

Psycho Milt said...

...you have just equated sexually assaulting someone with "being an asshole"???

Er, yes - phrases like "good cunt" or "top bloke" didn't spring to mind as accurate descriptors, what with the sexual assault an' all.

Apparently if Trump talks about "grabbing them (adult female) by the pussy" it's an outrage on a global scale. When somebody at a Labour youth camp actually does "grab them (underage drunk female) by the pussy" it's not than big of a deal. It's just someone "being an asshole".

Some men help themselves to other people's body parts and get away with it - not only get away with it in some cases, like Trump's. He was taped admitting it and still got to be PotUS. Those guys are arseholes.

Sexual assault is an everyday occurrence in this country, and mostly goes unreported to the Police because that tends to give the victim a far worse time than she had from the arsehole who assaulted her.

It would be nice if we reformed the justice system to enable sexual assaults to be prosecuted without giving the victim a worse experience than the assault, but every time it's suggested right-wing men are outraged at the prospect of having difficulty defending themselves against "lying sluts." Which makes the crocodile tears over the assaults at this party laughable.

Psycho Milt said...

Snowflakes et al ... might it just be that those assaulted were 'heavied' into NOT making a formal complaint ... put Party before self ... and why were the parents not told.

It MIGHT be, sure. It MIGHT also be that the offender was Simon Bridges who'd sneaked in wearing a disguise, in fact the "might just be" list is a very long one but none of them are worth much.

Johno said...

It's not the "dumbarse at a party" that's the biggest problem, Milt.

The real cancer here is people like you who dismiss sexual assault lightly which is a disgrace.

But we know, don't we, Milt, that you dismiss it because it happened at a Labour camp, under Labour management, attempted cover up by Labour management, and dubious plausible deniability by Labour PM. That makes it even worse. If it was National, you would not dismiss this as "an asshole at a party". You would be calling for resignations and criminal charges.

Shame on you.


Andrei said...

"Some men help themselves to other people's body parts and get away with it - not only get away with it in some cases, like Trump's. He was taped admitting it and still got to be PotUS. Those guys are arseholes."

Maybe the women whose body parts DT "helped himself to" enjoyed the experience Milt, have you ever considered that?

Maybe DT is good at reading women and what they want and then giving it to them while avoiding touching women who would find his advances unwelcome

There is a lot more to the mating game than mere slogans Milt

Men and women need to unite sexually - it is a biological imperative and the process of meeting this imperative is a dance called courtship

And that dance can be fun to do for both males and females and it can be short or long depending on the dancers and what they seek. It is a communication thing and if expectations match then everyone is happy - when they don't and there is miscommunication the problems arise

In porn movies people end up fucking each other within 60 seconds of meeting

In real life courtship can take months or years but lead to a long and fullfilling relationship that goes far beyond the mechanics of sex

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

There is an extremely caustic photoshop over at whaleoil which cuts right to the bone.

Some might call it unkind. I don'think the parents of those kids would be among them.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/03/political-photoshop-of-the-day-by-luke/

Paulus said...

When did Cinderella "know" what had happened ?
H2 would have known when Teletubby Minister Woods from Christchurch had been told by one of the children - one at least under 16 years of age.
If she didn't know what her office knew she should fire them all.
Helen Clark would have know within minutes of any occurrence and would have cappped it.
There were two staff of a Labour Minister's staff present also.

Psycho Milt said...

The real cancer here is people like you who dismiss sexual assault lightly which is a disgrace.

Really? The real cancer isn't that a lot of men think they can do this kind of thing and expect to get away with it? The real cancer isn't that otherwise-sensible people will try to blame this on parties or drinking alcohol or (FFS) Jacinda Ardern, rather than rape culture? The real cancer isn't conservative authoritarians claiming that third parties should have informed the Police or the victims' parents regardless of the victims' thoughts on the subject? The real cancer isn't right-wing spin doctors and bloggers politicising a sexual assault for a cheap propaganda win? OK, glad we could clear that up.

Psycho Milt said...

Maybe the women whose body parts DT "helped himself to" enjoyed the experience Milt, have you ever considered that?

"Bullshit, she enjoyed it, I tell you!" Funnily enough, I can totally picture Trump saying that.

Andrei said...

You have been brainwashed by feminists Milt

Men BAD!!! Womyn GOOD!!!

Beleive it or not there are women who are sexual enthusiasts Milt

There are actually women Milt who are sexually predatory less commen than male sexual predators to be sure but they exist and I personally have encountered them

Personally I have no great desire to bang casino, cocktail waitresses but if you are a DT such creatures would be fairly easy pickings - when DT is talking about grabbing pussy he is not talking about women at a Church picnic now is he?

In this case of the Labour Party camp, you have adolescents with raging hormones, alcohol and a lack of adult supervision which is an explosive mix

The Veteran said...

I am genuinely amazed at the attempt by some to trivialise what happened. This was NOT a party. It was a youth camp run under the auspices of the Labour Party ... an officially sanctioned event. I again pose the following questions ...

The General Secretary of the Labour Party has confirmed that four teenagers were sexually assaulted. Why didn't the Party take responsibility for what occurred and report the incident to the Police for investigation under s134(3) and s135 of the Crimes Act?

Was there any pressure applied to the victims not to report the matter to the Police?

Was it correct that one of the victims was aged just 15?

Why weren't the parents informed?

It is reported that large quantities of beer, RTDs and spirits were present at the camp. Were they available for purchase?

If so did the organisers have the necessary special license?

Was there any breech of s241 of the S&SoL Act which makes it an offence to supply alcohol to a minor? Note ... a minor is defined in the Act as a person under 18 years of age.

Why did the senior camp supervisor go to bed at 9.00 pm?

What were the other three supervisors doing at the time?

Egbut is entirely right ... this will not bring the government down. But it is their first major blunder and they haven't handled it at all well. It stinks of an orchestrated cover-up and the last 24 hours has been all damage control. The PM will be livid as she should be. The Party hierarchy and Minister Woods hung her out to dry by keeping her in the dark. First time 'she's' been put under pressure and it shows.

More to come on this and you can't blame National for raising legitimate questions ... that's the function of the Opposition ... holding the Government to account.

Gerald said...

The General Secretary of the Labour Party has confirmed that four teenagers were sexually assaulted. Why didn't the Party take responsibility for what occurred and report the incident to the Police for investigation under s134(3) and s135 of the Crimes Act?

Was there any pressure applied to the victims not to report the matter to the Police?

Was it correct that one of the victims was aged just 15?

Why weren't the parents informed?

It is reported that large quantities of beer, RTDs and spirits were present at the camp. Were they available for purchase?

If so did the organisers have the necessary special license?

Was there any breech of s241 of the S&SoL Act which makes it an offence to supply alcohol to a minor? Note ... a minor is defined in the Act as a person under 18 years of age.

Why did the senior camp supervisor go to bed at 9.00 pm?

What were the other three supervisors doing at the time?"

Amazing just finished watching Judith Collins on early news asking the very same questions.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Johno said...

PM: "Really? The real cancer isn't that a lot of men think they can do this kind of thing and expect to get away with it?"

That's basically what I am saying. By trivialising sexual assault as "some asshole being a dick" you are helping to enable a culture where the "asshole" does think he can "get away with it".

I can't and don't believe you haven't been following the issues of "rape culture", Weinstein, #metoo, #timesup etc and don't understand *exactly* what you are doing.

Shame on you.

Noel said...

Below suggest the victims were initially happy with the handling of the incident.
I guess that in part answers the first question.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102207447/minister-megan-woods-told-about-alleged-sexual-assault-at-young-labour-summer-camp-by-victim

The Veteran said...

Gerald ... you can think what you like but those questions were entirely my own and I take responsibility for them. I have not discussed them with Judith Collins and she hasn't discussed them with me. Maybe, just maybe, they are the questions any thinking person would ask.

Noel ... no it doesn't. The story has it that at least one of the victims was unhappy with the process and cover-up.

Psycho Milt said...

Johno: I'm very well aware of rape culture, and also the ridicule with which right-wingers tend to treat any mention of it until one day it comes in handy as a propaganda stick to beat Labour with. What are you wanting me to say here? That it's terrible that someone might sexually assault someone else? Well, yes, it is - hence the reference to the guy being an arsehole. However, women are sexually molested at parties in this country every weekend, and nobody's on here wringing their hands about it the next day.

I agree that we need to stop trivialising this subject. Excellent starts on that would be taking rape culture seriously, and not using sexual assault victims as vehicles for cheap propaganda attacks.

Psycho Milt said...

It stinks of an orchestrated cover-up and the last 24 hours has been all damage control.

Control of what damage? Well, as it turns out, nothing but the propaganda damage inflicted by people to whom a sexual assault is a lucky break as it makes an awesome stick to beat Labour with. I agree wholeheartedly that Labour is rubbish at protecting itself against that kind of politics.

Psycho Milt said...

when DT is talking about grabbing pussy he is not talking about women at a Church picnic now is he?

Who gives a shit? He was talking about women who didn't want him grabbing their pussy, and your thoughts on the relative merits of the women he selected are irrelevant.

In this case of the Labour Party camp, you have adolescents with raging hormones, alcohol and a lack of adult supervision which is an explosive mix

Nope. In this case you have someone who shares Trump's lack of knowledge of, or interest in, the concept of consent. I shouldn't have to be explaining this to people, but lack of consent is the only thing that makes it sexual assault.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Milt seems very highly exercised. This one must be hurting.

And just in the interests of accuracy Milt, Donald Trump was talking about women 'who would let rich and famous people grab them by the pussy.' As a consequence, the relative merits, or in your case, demerits, are extremely relevant.

Psycho Milt said...

Rape culture in a nutshell, folks!

Andrei said...

What do you fucking want Milt - a signed form notorized by a JP indicating consent everytime people engage in sexual activity?

Are you out of your mind?

And if you cannot recognize that alcohol impairs judgment particularly but not exclusively in young people and impaired judgement may well lead to unwise sexual activity then you are beyond help

This was a Labour Party event involving minors and it has gone wrong - and that is not Donald Trumps Fault, nor the Popes, nor mine - no it is down to the organizers of this event

Anonymous said...

I hope this brings down the corrupt govt, and why is Winston so silent?


Ron

Snowflake said...

Adolt wouldn’t give a shit as he’s too stupid, but I suspect “the Veteran” has to have a nice hot shower after deliberately trying to milk an alleged sexual assault for all the political gain he can. Concern for the victims maybe? He’s really going to town, aided by an suitably outraged and indignant Johno. They’ve been silent about Trump, Roy Moore and Russell McViegh though. Curious indeed.

Johno said...

I don't back any of them so have no particular reason to comment. You and Milt are left wing Labour supporters and you are ethically corrupt. with the territory from the top to the bottom.
The lefties have been shown up and boy has it got them agitated.

Psycho Milt said...

...alcohol impairs judgment particularly but not exclusively in young people and impaired judgement may well lead to unwise sexual activity...

Andrei, the reason people keep ranting on about "rape culture" is because so many seem unable to distinguish between "unwise sexual activity" and sexual assault or rape. Certainly drugs have led to a lot of unwise sexual activity, but only rapists lead to rape.

The Veteran said...

Snowflake ... 'alleged sexual assault' ... keep up with the play old son ... now admitted by Labour. Heh, keep the conversation going ... please, please.

Any answers to my questions?

Psycho Milt said...

"...admitted by Labour."

Nice job of making it sound like the Labour Party has admitted some kind of offence there.

Any answers to my questions?

Why would anyone answer your questions? They're appalling attempts to politicise someone else's misery and should be dismissed as such, and the parties involved would rightly regard it as none of your business anyway.

Snowflake said...

Yep, this is the only time “the Veteran” has ever shown any interest in and outrage about sexual misconduct. Why is that “Veteran”? Adolt, of course, is very interested in such matters, but normally takes the view that the slappers were asking for it and it never happened, just like Roy Moore said.

Johno said...

And still the lefties attempt to divert from Labour's awful embarrassment.

Back to the issue that the lefties don't want discussed: Labour's dreadful handling if not complicity in sexual assault. It turns out that issues have been raised *years* ago, and also buried by Labour.

So despite this sort of thing happening at Labour youth camps in the past, nothing has been learned and nothing was put in place to prevent more young victims being sexually assaulted.

All from the party that represents itself as protecting vulnerable youth.

Milt and Snowflake will continue to attack the messenger rather than the problem though. The Party is most important thing to them, not some expendable Labour youth.

Shelldrake said...

Where is the Minister of Womens Affairs and all of the other strident feminists of the left making their opinions clear?

They are all too busy sticking their noses into Me Too and It's Time essentially related to overseas events but are not expressing any concern about issues at home particularly in their own hen house.

The Veteran said...

Snowflake et al ... all this is a moot now one of the victims has laid a complaint with the police.

Some might opine that Labour's 'victim lead approach' which saw them delay for 28 days before offering support and counselling to those assaulted was more a case of hoping the problem would go away ... whatever, clearly any attempt to shut the matter down has backfired in a really big way.

Johno said...

All the lefty activists who could not shut up when the PM pulled a ponytail, or some Malaysian diplomat dropped his daks, roastbusters, etc etc.

Where are they? Not a peep when the smell's emitting from the Labour camp.

F*cking hypocrites. They never gave a shit about sexual assaunt - it was political point scoring all along. But now the shoe's on the other foot? Gone.

Anonymous said...

Johnno ....it's spelt "fucking" hypocrites....the gathering may have been connected to Labour initiated event but the 20 year old had no political affiliation worthy of the name. So how in he name of god does it get to be the event of the year and what the hell has it to do with the running of the country and the rapidly changing international situation.

Honestly, I don't think living on an isolated island for any length of time is good for the perspective.

Lord Egbut

Johno said...

Get it into your head, Egbut (and Milt too): the issue at hand is not the 20yo offender, it is the management and the integrity of the Labour Party.

The issue is the lying from Labour, from the top down, the poor decision making from Labour from the top down and the poor judgement by Labour, from the top down.

The lefties keep attempting to dodge this by bringing up the 20yo offender. He's for the police to deal with, so we don't need to concern ourselves with him for the time being.

And now we stand by in anticipation of the next "Look, a squirrel!" from PM and LE...

Psycho Milt said...

...the issue at hand is not the 20yo offender, it is the management and the integrity of the Labour Party.

Oh, good. In that case, meh. What right-wingers think of the Labour Party's political management is worth two-fifths of fuck-all.

Johno said...

Left wingers with an ounce of integrity would realise the same, Milt, instead of deflecting and making excuses.

Seems left wingers with an ounce of integrity are few and far between.