Tuesday, March 6, 2018

I DINNA KNOW THAT

Have just finished reading Frank Walker's book 'Traitors' which details how individuals and companies from the 'allied' nations helped the Germans and Japanese in WW2.

Once war was declared Coca-Cola's plant in Germany lost access to the sweet black syrup it needed to make the product.   The plant's chemists used apple and whey to produce a new product called 'Fanta'.    It was very successful and created huge profits for the company who marketed under the slogan 'Mach doch mal pause' - Take a break.

After the war the German company turned over the patent to the American parent company and so Fanta continues to this day.

When I grew up whey was the calf feed of choice.


15 comments:

David said...

Also IBM (Hollerith at the time) provided to computers and punch cards that the NAZIs used so successfully in locating, identifying, and destroying the Jews, Gypsies, gays, Communists, et al.

And in Oz we remember Pig Iron Bob Menzies who attempted prosecution of waterside workers who refused to load pig iron shipments to Japan. The Japanese had already commenced the rape of Nanking and the Australian workers were standing in solidarity with the Chinese. There were also fears that the japanese would utilise Australian iron in weapons to be used against us.

Wherever there is war you can count on the capitalist robber barons to ensure their profits ahead of all else.

I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of the racket all the time. Now I am sure of it.

Major General Smedley Butler US Marine Corps.

Have you read his "War Is A Racket"?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

And in Os we also remember those waterside workers who smashed aero engines and radio parts to hinder the war effort and who struck to prevent returning POWs from getting ashore.

David said...

Name them.

The Veteran said...

David ... MGEN Smedley Bulter is mentioned in the book I referred to. He was awarded the Medal of Honor twice ... no mean feat. In the 1930s he resisted an attempt by right wing extremists with supposed Wall Street backing to recruit him to stage a military coup against the Roosevelt administration (the Business Plot). He was, by any measure, a controversial person. He was hired and then fired as Director of Public Safety in Philadelphia. A staunch prohibitionist he ran for the US Senate in 1932 as a Republican but by 1936 he was a backer of Norman Thomas, candidate for President representing the Socialist Party. He died in 1940.

People forget that the British Union of Fascists was a creature of the Labour Party led by Oswald Mosley who was the Chancellor for the Duchy of Lancaster in the 1929-31 Labour government. He was a committed Fabian. He left Labour when his (radical) proposals to mop up unemployment were defeated (he was an advocate of high tariffs; the nationalisation of industry and a program of accelerated public works ... 30 years later Richard Crossman ... a distinguished Labour Party luminary described his memorandum as "brilliant ... and a whole generation ahead of Labour Party thinking). He set up the New Party which morphed into the BUF. He was a proponent of the Corporate State where governance is exercised by vocational corporations comprising employers and employees representing each trade, professional or industry.

The point I make is that there are elements of both the left and the right whose conduct leaves much to be desired. Adolf is entirely right in respect of his comments re the wharfies. It went with the territory.

Those who think that only one side of the political divide is all clean and pure don't think.

David said...

Butler was also from a Quaker family, which made his choice of career interesting.

Adolf is entirely right in respect of his comments re the wharfies.

I could possibly agree if Adolf provided sources, which he never does. Knowing Adolf as I do, I believe his source will be a corrupt book written by Hal Colebatch and published by Quadrant. It is a farrago of lies, backed up by a tissue of innuendo, and largely supported by hearsay. It has little scholarly merit and is not cited by any reputable historians of the period.

yes, the unions were opposed to the war in its early stages, seeing it as a struggle wherein the workers will be the losers, but as the union leadership were almost all Communists, can you answer why they would oppose the war effort after the USSR was attacked, because I can't. The Australian unions now saw the war as an anti-fascist campaign, even going so far as to describe themselves as "the leading war party".

Also, keep in mind that many of these maligned wharfies had sons, brothers, uncles, fathers, and friends fighting that war. Why would they sabotage their own?

OK, some union members went against the Union and party line, but that is to be expected. Yes, there were some random, wildcat actions, but nothing like the orchestrated scale the Right imagines in its slymepit of hatred for the worker.

I look forward to Adolf responding with verifiable sources. yeah, right.

dAVID said...

PS - I think your headline should read "I didna know that", at least according to the Scotts spoken in my childhood home. didna = did not, whereas dinna = I don't.

EG - I didna know you were in Vietnam until you told me, I still dinna know your age.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

dAVID (Are you Russo/Jewish?)

Actually you are wrong. 'dinna' means 'don't.' It's a shortened version of do not.

eg 'Dinna fash yersel'.

The Veteran said...

David ... in your critique of Hal Colebatch's book (for which he was awarded the Prime Minister's prize for Australian History) you have parroted the views of Peter Stanley, Research Professor at the University of NSW.

Stanley himself is a controversial figure who claimed the Japanese had no intention of invading Australia in WW2. I guess he is entitled to his own opinions.

Anonymous said...

David...In waiting for the Pretender you will live out your life span. He hasn't any links and like the author of the book offers almost nothing in corroboration.

Stanley's reply, which is lot more thought out and referenced than the book is here....
http://honesthistory.net.au/wp/who-are-the-liars-response-to-colebatch/

Veteran .....A plan was formatted by the Japanese navy to invade top of the NT only but was turned down. The Japanese had no intention of invading Australia. The logistics were entirely against the adventure.....I would have thought you knew this.

Lord Egbut of Bunbury

Anonymous said...

I find this is the final nail in the coffin of a book based on hearsay and alarmism. Distorting history to further the cause of a political ideology is about as low as you can go in my book. University of Woolongong.

http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2800&context=lhapapers

Lord Egbut of Bunbury

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... your point is only valid post the Battle of the Coral Sea. Up until then it figured very much in Japanese planning even to the extent of printing Japanese Invasion money ... the Australian One Shilling Note et al. You can view those notes at the Australian War Memorial Museum ... but I thought you knew that.

I'll leave you to your view that the Oz wharfies were as pure as the driven snow ... as all wharfies are and remain so. At least David acknowledges some failings. Thank god for containers but they're not necessarily wharfie (or any other) proof.

David said...

Veteran, winning the PM's prize for a union bashing book when The Mad Monk was PM is simply a case of a reward for a job well done. It says nothing of the merits of the book.

Colebatch has taught creative writing, probably using this book as his text.

Stanley is a Fellow of the Aust. Academy of Humanities, and is also a winner of the PM's prize for "Bad Characters: Sex, Crime, Mutiny and Murder in the Great War". He has also been Principal Historian at the Australian War Memorial and head of research at the Australian Museum. He has something like 30 books published, mostly to do with war history or commentary.

By contrast, Colebatch is a hack.

It is my opinion that Stanley knows far more about the topic than Colebatch and Adolf cubed.

The Veteran said...

David ... Colebatch is entitled to his view as is Stanley. You read both and make up your mind. Stanley doesn't dispute the essential thesis of the book ... just certain points of detail.

Anonymous said...

Veteran...... From the records and before the Coral sea.

"As the option of invading Australia was rejected in February 1942 and was not revisited, the Japanese attacks on Australia during the war were not precursors to invasion as is sometimes claimed. The large air raid on Darwin on 19 February 1942 and the Attack on Broome on 3 March were conducted to prevent the Allies from using these towns as bases to contest the invasion of the Netherlands East Indies and was not related to an invasion."

From the wiki site on Japanese occupation money throughout the war...... "In Oceania, invasion money was issued for use in British New Guinea, the Solomon and Gilbert Islands and other small island outposts. These islands were captured in order to defend the islands within the Co-Prosperity Sphere. In 1942 the Japanese issued a 1 and a ½ shilling notes for use in these areas. This money is sometimes wrongly identified as being printed in preparation for an invasion of Australia; no such invasion was ever planned and this denomination was not used in Australia."

Colebatch has a view Stanley and has the documentation, to demonise the wharfies on the basis of this book is unwarranted.

Lord Egbut of Bunbury

The Bunbury Baker said...

Correct, my Lord Egbut