Friday, February 16, 2018

Friday's Fulminations

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19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Now that the Hager claims are being scrutinised perhaps the Government might turn it's attention to the purchase of the South Island by US dotcom billionaires. I exaggerate of course but I'm sure you get the drift, and I'm sure that like me you said if the silly bugger wants to buy 400 acres of tussock with a view go right ahead......well until I read this.....
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-valley-billionaires-are-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-in-new-zealand

What I don't understand is how Thiel qualified for NZ citizenship in 12 days and why did he take his citizenship oath in a San Monica consulate......Cyril Rhamaphosa whom I have great deal of respect for has made it his priority to clear up corruption and cronyism.....perhaps Prime Minister Ardern will look at this and do the same.

Lord Egbut

Noel said...

Insight on Theil
hyttp://www.nzherald.co.nz/indepth/national/how-peter-thiel-got-new-zealand-citizenship/

Anonymous said...

Might do if you remove the Y

David said...

Thirty mass shootings, 8 in schools and the new year is barely out of its nappies.

Where is Trump? Thoughts and prayers, not action, is all you ever hear.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now Trump's inaugural address that he read after someone else wrote it.

I’ll be able to make sure that when you walk down the street in your inner city, or wherever you are, you’re not going to be shot. Your child isn’t going to be shot. Trump campaigning.

Thoughts are not something Trump ever has and prayers are useless.

What do you expect from a country that deems a person too dangerous to fly, but not dangerous enough to be barred from buying guns?

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... you can take the oath of citizenship anywhere. He was granted citizenship by the Minister of Internal Affairs despite not having met the residential requirement under the 'Exceptional Circumstances' provisions after having been supported in his application by two of the countries leading businessmen and having invested heavily in NZL.

In short he is a 'giver' to society not a taker. Which would you prefer?

Paranormal said...

David

The US does have the ability to ban guns and a federal approval process for new gun sales. However that does not stop private individuals breaking the law and selling to people who are banned from owning guns. https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics

Florida requires the federal 'NICS' background checks to be undertaken: http://lawcenter.giffords.org/background-checks-in-florida/

In the case of the latest tragedy there is anecdotal evidence the shooter did pass the NICS check. The issue with any system or law is identifying an otherwise 'cleanskin' purchaser. Just like cigarettes & alchohol (and drugs for that matter) the best way to avoid harm is to treat those that want to do this type of harm as a health issue.

David said...

First para - usual right wing gun nut talking point, but this murderer DID own his weapons legally.

Final sentence - continuation of right wing gun nut talking points. Ths ignores the fact that millions of Americans suffer mental health issues, but only a few go on to be mass murderers. And, even if it was a mental health issue, Trump is cutting the health care budget to deny treatment to those who need it.

Yes, the US has the ability, what it lacks is the will.

Paranormal said...

So what's your prescription David? Obviously in red vision land the politicians decree something and magically it happens.

David said...

Obviously in red vision land the politicians decree something and magically it happens.

No gun fondler, that is not what happens, we all know that. But without political will there can be no action. Interesting that the biggest opposition to gun control in the USA comes from the Red States.

How many other countries have mass murders on this scale? As Scribe would say "Not many, if any".

Why is it so?

It isn't Hollywood, America exports its violent movies and TV around the world.

It isn't violent video games, see above.

It isn't mental illness, as mentally ill are found around the world.

It isn't even gun ownership, as most other nations permit gun ownership in some form or another.

The true cause lies in the toxic culture of violence that permeates all levels of American society, a country that has hardly ever known peace, a country that is at war with its own people as police forces become more highly armed and agressive, a country that sees "might as right" and violence as the answer to all life's problems.

Add to that poisonous mix high powered weapons with little or no safety training required, little check on the suitability for gun ownership, and a government that is shit scared of the NRA and this is what you get.

But you stick with the GOP line of "thoughts and prayers", of denying women abortions because feeeeeeetttttuuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssss while not giving two actual fucks about the lives just snuffed out.

David said...

Politicians bought by the NRA.

Anonymous said...

The only way to keep kids safe is to make sure they’re heavily armed as soon as they’ve developed the ability to grip. Obviously this leaves smaller babies vulnerable, so they should be given voice-activated flame-throwers that scorch anyone within 20 yards whenever there’s a gurgle.

Then the teachers can get on with the job of teaching kids how to shoot things. When a college student goes wild with a Heckler & Koch 9mm pistol, instead of telling them off like we do at the moment, they can offer advice, and say, “Watkins, WHAT have I told you about lining up your target? You did very well to murder three boys in the doorway but you completely missed Mr Nolan the caretaker.”

This shooting in Florida was the 18th such event in an American school this year. Soon there will be so many they won’t be news; they’ll be read out like the football results each Saturday afternoon. The announcer will say: “Here are this week’s shooting sprees in schools: Kansas 3, Wyoming 1, Montana 2, Texas FOUR.”

Then, instead of moaning about these incidents, they can be incorporated into lessons. A maths teacher might say, “This morning there were 28 of us in the classroom. Now four of us are lying in a pool of blood. Express as a fraction the amount of us who have survived.”

I'm afraid weeping and wringing of hands in the South Pacific will no effect..I blame John Wayne.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Veteran.....my point entirely, he is a giver but we don't know how much and to whom.

Lord Egbut

David said...

Safe at last.

Paranormal said...

So David, no real answers or understanding. No empathy or sympathy you just see it as an opportunity to spew your leftard bile across someone else's blog.

David said...

Is that the best you've got?

So David, no real answers or understanding.

The answer is simple, fewer guns, especially high powered, rapid load, rapid fire ones. Nothing wrong with a good old single shot bolt action .22

No empathy or sympathy... I have plenty of empathy and sympathy for the victims, however, that is as useful as "thoughts and prayers" in bringing an end to this madness.

...spew your leftard bile ... Juvenile name calling at its Trumpian best, he would be proud of you if only he wasn't so full of himself.

...across someone else's blog... It wouldn't harm you to accept that we are both guests in this house. Yes, I get angry when I see stupid waste of life being condoned by thug lovers such as yourself, but you are just like a dog dragging its arse over the clean carpet.

Paranormal said...

So again, no practical suggestions for the problem, mr name caller? You may recall there have been massacres with single shot firearms.

David said...

So again, no practical suggestions for the problem ...

You keep saying that, ignoring all the evidence that this is an American problem, it occurs no where else in the world, and it needs an American solution.+

The true cause lies in the toxic culture of violence that permeates all levels of American society, a country that has hardly ever known peace, a country that is at war with its own people as police forces become more highly armed and agressive, a country that sees "might as right" and violence as the answer to all life's problems.

Add to that poisonous mix high powered weapons with little or no safety training required, little check on the suitability for gun ownership, and a government that is shit scared of the NRA and this is what you get.


ALL it would take is for the legislators to grow a pair and tell the NRA to fuck itself, we're changing the laws.

Anonymous said...

Here is your solution Paranormal....."The White House has refused to release any images of Donald Trump signing a bill that made it easier for some people with a mental illness to buy guns.

Requests from US media outlets initially came after the US President signed the bill into law on 28 February last year, just a month after his inauguration."

Deniability....not me Guv.....

Lord Egbut

Paranormal said...

Classic straw man bs David and Legbut. Can you point to anywhere I have said the stuff you say I've said David.

Your changing the law is not going to change what is happening. Regardless of Legbut's attempt at humour it is Obamas law banning guns from schools that has made them a target. Just bringing in more laws is not going to solve the problem, no matter how much hand wringing you do.

In this latest case, yet again we see that the law enforcement agencies dropped the ball and could have saved those lives if they had acted. More laws to enforce does not mean that a) people /criminals will obey them, or b) they will be effective without unintended consequences or enforceable.

Here's astarter for you. Focusing on a particular type of firearm will not stop the problem.