Tuesday, October 17, 2017


Fact ... being in parliament is all about being in government.   There is very little satisfaction in sitting on the opposition benches.   You might get the occasional victory when a government minister or MP stuffs up but much of your time is spent railing against decisions already made and which you can't change.

That's the conventional wisdom anyway.    Not so this time round.   Whoever Winston and his ratbag bunch of losers chose will themselves end up as losers.

So Bill, my advice to you is to pull the plug.   Let 'them' go with Labour and the Greens and watch the train-wreck develop.   Use the time to regenerate and refresh ... and yes, that probably means you will have to call 'time up' on yourself ... but you have been there and done that.   Your legacy is secure as an outstanding Minister of Finance who saw us through the GFC and the decade of deficits bequeathed to you by Labour.  

In opposition National will exercise substantial power through their shear weight of numbers in the House.   They will be the majority Party on all Select Committees.    They will have the ability to frustrate the government's legislative agenda should they choose to do so and at the same time be in a position to exploit the inherent contradictions in a coalition of where NZF and the Greens have about as much in common as Sunni and Shia Muslims do.

3 years (or shorter) pain for long term gain.   Pull the plug on the farce Bill, pull the plug.


Adolf Fiinkensein said...

But please do it after Peters has announced he's going with National.

Just tell the world you've changed your mind.

Then watch him run around in circles shitting himself.

What the hell will Labour do? They'll be forever known as the second cab off the rank.

Anonymous said...

And then labour also kick him into touch. Then another election in which NZF vote share would probably be raised through conspiracy theories or sympathy.....well done Troll you have once again you have solved an intractable problem.

Veteran....You missed the bit about the poisoned chalice.

Lord Egbut

Wilbur said...

English is yet another grease stain politician lusting after power and prestige, he'd mud wrestle his own mother for the prime ministership. What is dangerous for National is that Winnie will be out to shank English - somehow. It won't happen overnight but it will happen.

The Veteran said...

Wilbur ... English has the power and prestige that Winston hankers after but will never achieve. But I agree that going into government with Winston is akin to sitting down to a meal prepared by Typhoid Mary. The man is a walking dinosaur hankering back to 'fortress New Zealand' of the 1950s and 60s; a defacto White New Zealand policy and a Muldoonist approach to management of the economy.

National and NZF are too far apart in their respective philosophies for any marriage of convenience to work. Labour and the Greens are welcome to him.

Noel said...

I thought there was also an option where he didn't have to go with anyone
Regardless when I did the TV one thingy I was surprised how clutterd the left of centre was including NZ First.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... that's an option but the inherent instability of a minority government would probably result in an early election where NZF might well be the biggest loser.

Anonymous said...

Noel, the left of centre in NZ is extremely crowded, especially when one appreciates that National is also in this space.


The Veteran said...

JeffW ... sorry to rain on your parade but in the context of NZL politics ACT is right (with a libertarian touch); National is right/centre; NZF is centre/left; Labour is left and the Greens far left.

Gerald said...

Sooooooooooo if you added all the votes that went to the left and all those who went to the right, where would the majority of voters sit?

Anonymous said...

So New Zealand is hard done by the length of the negotiations and decision process.

"Two weeks after the Dutch election, the politician leading talks to form a new coalition says it may take three months or more."

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Gerald, your grasp of stupidity is impressive.

"if you added all the votes that went to the left and all those who went to the right, where would the majority of voters sit?"

The answer is, all the voters voted. The majority would 'sit' ( as you put it) somewhere between the extreme left and the extreme right.

The Veteran said...

Gerald ... it depends the way you look at it. The combined Labour/Green vote is still 25,000 shy of Nationals so it depends whether Winston's 'centre' vote (as opposed to his 'left' vote) is right leaning and what proportion is that ... there are of course no answers to that question. The bigger question to my way of thinking is can Winston coexist with the Greens to produce stable government. All his utterances to date suggest not ... we won't even talk to them.

Having said all that I stand by my post.

Anon ... then 'he' has only himself to blame. Remind me who was it that set the deadline of last Thursday.

Noel said...

"Winston's 'centre' vote (as opposed to his 'left' vote) is right leaning...."
Compass put NZ Fist with policies that were left leaning along with Labour, Greens and Maori.
They put National and Act to the right.
Don't know where the OP sat but lets put them on the right.
To answer Geralds question
Around 133 thousand votes of all votes cast went to left leaning parties
Around 121 thousand votes of all votes cast went to right leaning parties.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


I'm so grateful for your explanation of how National got less votes than Labour and Greens combined. Must be that New Maths.

Noel said...

That wasn't what Gerald asked.


The Veteran said...

Gerald/Noel ... I could put you in touch with any number of NZF voters (and at least one MP) who would throw up their hands in horror at any attempt to brand them as left wing.
Clearly there are others including MPs Mark and Martin whose natural home is on the left. So, the question remains ... was a vote for NZF a vote for change to be made working alongside a right leaning National Party or in a coalition (of sorts) with left leaning Labour/Greens?

All pretty academic ... we'll know sometime today.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

It's gone on so long I'm no longer interested. Whichever of the two obvious option is chosen, the country is in for a rough ride.