Friday, August 11, 2017

PC GONE MAD

The Australian Regular Army, in an attempt to narrow the gender imbalance, has put a hold on recruiting male soldiers.   Other branches of the ADF have closed off a number of trades to male recruits.

Far be it for me to criticize their decision but I will.   What arrant political pc bullshit.     I say this to the military hierarchy ... grow some balls ... stop being rolled by the feminazis.

And I say that as the rather proud father of one of the Navy's first female seaman officers.   Our daughter received no armchair ride and never sought it.   She was, I suspect, all the better for that.

50 comments:

David said...

What's the real problem?

You don't like "wimmin"?

You think that no organisation is diverse unless it is 100% white straight males?

What exactly is "PC bullshit"? Sounds to me like a placeholder for "Geeze I wish I had something to say that won't make me look like a dick".

Not all soldiers have balls, nor is it a requirement. Your day as an alpha male has passed.

A far greater worry than gender diversity in the military is Malcolm Turnbull's willingness to commit Australian lives to defending the US in a war not of our making, not of a threat to us, and started simply because Trump waves his tiny willy at Kim and Kim waves a bigger one back.

The Veteran said...

David ... your response inclines me to suspect you are one of those feminazis in drag. No, I don't think the ADF should be 100% white straight male and you saying that confirms your dick status. In implementing this policy it is a given that some potentially really good male recruits will be shut out of the ADF and just how that enhances capability quite escapes me.

Re Trump/Turnbull vs Kim. Don't threadjack.

David said...

Your use of the term "feminazi" certainly puts you right in the dick class of misogynists who cannot cope with a woman being successful.

I am not a feminazi, but I am a feminist, in that I believe social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.

...it is a given that some potentially really good male recruits will be shut out of the ADF

And it is also a given that previous policies that excluded women also shut out a large number of potentially really good female candidates.

So, if the ADF is getting a suitable number of suitably qualified recruits, what is the problem?

The Veteran said...

David ... can I suggest to you that quality beats gender hands down. Quotas are a lazy way forward and produces second-raters but, I agree, it fits the feminazi mindset.

Ciaron said...

I am not a feminazi, but I am a feminist, in that I believe social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.

~To be achieved by the exclusion and chastisement of men?

Men and Women are different and complimentary, with identical worth.

Shelldrake said...

If during this period of placing an embargo on the recruitment of males occurs there will be flow on effects. In the normal course of events there is a continual necessity to recruit Infantrymen, not a Freudian slip, as they are the core of the Army and comprise the largest grouping.

Experience to date in the five eyes nations has been that it is incredibly difficult to recruit women in the Infantry and some core combat trades, e.g gun numbers, combat engineers, armoured crews and special forces personnel.

Some women try but just don't make. Certainly not to the point that they move into mid rank streams. They do exceptionally well in a wide range of other trades. This is not demeaning , it simply places appropriate people into appropriate plces.

By the way a good number of men don't do well in the combat trades either.

David said...

Ciaron, thinking is obviously not your strong suit.

How can making women's rights equal to men's be exclusionary of men?

Men and Women are different and complimentary.... Please explain how this applies in anything other than sexual reproduction.

Ciaron said...

How can making women's rights equal to men's be exclusionary of men?

Ummm; The Australian Regular Army, in an attempt to narrow the gender imbalance, has put a hold on recruiting male soldiers.

Please explain how this applies in anything other than sexual reproduction.

Division of labour that has ensured the survival of our species since ages ago until very recently.

Andrei said...

Please explain how this applies in anything other than sexual reproduction.

It actually applies to many things - no woman will ever turn in the fastest time in the New York Marathon

No woman will ever hold the world heavyweight boxing title

No man will ever dance the role of Odile in Swan Lake except perhaps in a comedy skit

Or sing the title role in Madam Butterfly

It is probably not appropriate for a man to train as a midwife and is probably unsafe for a man to work as an early childhood whatever kindy teachers are called these days given the focus on sexual abuse of minors and the difficulty of proving your innocence if so accused.

The masculinization of women and the feminization of men is so dumb because the net result is a massively lowered birthrate and cultures that are not doing it are the ones that will come to inherit the earth

David said...

Veteran, your constant use of the term "feminazi" demeans you and demeans the women who serve. Did you ever use that term around female soldiers?

The term has its genesis in the fevered swamps inhabited by Rush limbaugh et al. It shows the ignorance of the user by conflating a liberation movement with an oppressive regime. Hitler closed women's health clinics, declared abortion a crime against the state, and jailed or executed German feminists. So, would you care to rethink, or are you happy to be identified as Hitlerian?

David said...

Andrei,

Women do run in the New York marathon and some in much faster times than most men.

A woman could win the world heavyweight boxing title, but women are currently excluded. let's change the rules and see what happens.

There is no reason why a man cannot dance odile's part or sing madam butterfly. They are artistic expressions.

You are stuck in the outdated gender roles that your religion imposes on its adherents. You wonder about the feminisation of men when you attend a church led by a bunch of men wearing dresses.

Gerald said...

Why the surprise now?
http://www.defencetalk.com/inquiry-urges-female-quotas-in-australian-military-44296/

David said...

Gerald, the surprise now is that The Tele finally got around to reporting it so the knuckle dragging Tele readers have only just found out about it.

The Veteran said...

David ... the term feminazi does NOT demean in any way those who serve. It refers to YOU and YOURS. Read my f*****n post dipstick ... why would I demean my own daughter? It focus on those like you who think that in all professions there has to be gender balance. Sorry, even in the ADF they accept their special forces are exempt from such nonsense.

Have you ever served? I suspect not. You still have a right to comment but it would help if you commented intelligently.

Andrei said...


" You wonder about the feminisation of men when you attend a church led by a bunch of men wearing dresses."

I'm not an Anglican David, I'm Russian Orthodox and our Bishops are men

David said...

Veteran, I read your post. How else would I know you are a misogynist?

Feminazi is a derogatory term used against feminists to remove power and dismiss them as irrational, ill-guided and dangerous militants. The term was coined by Tom Hazlett and popularized by the racist, misogynist, anti-intellectual radio-talk-show host Rush Limbaugh.

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Feminazi

A feminazi is a woman to whom the most important thing in life is seeing to it that as many abortions as possible are performed. Their unspoken reasoning is quite simple. Abortion is the single greatest avenue for militant women to exercise their quest for power and advance their belief that men aren't necessary. They don't need men in order to be happy. They certainly don't want males to be able to exercise any control over them. Abortion is the ultimate symbol of women's emancipation from the power and influence of men. With men being precluded from the ultimate decision-making process regarding the future of life in the womb, they are reduced to their proper, inferior role. Nothing matters but me, says the feminazi. My concerns prevail over all else. The fetus doesn't matter, it's an unviable tissue mass.

https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2012/03/12/feminazi-the-history-of-limbaughs-trademark-slu/186336

Still want to be associated with that word? Happy to share a bathtub with the deranged Limbaugh?

Then by your words, we shall know you.

David said...

Andrei, thanks. I always wanted a photo of a man riding a horse. Wearing a dress.

Andrei said...

Since you have a thing about men in "dresses" David here's a picture from WW1

And here is a contemporary picture

Shelldrake said...

Could we please get back to the subject. If you have exhausted your knowledge of military matters then either move on or breathe through yor nose for a while and learn something.

Anonymous said...

David..your reaction is a bit OTT. Suddenly it turned into an intellectual exercise. Read the post. SOME TRADES have closed etc. as we have no idea what trades or the staffing levels at the moment most of these posts are nonsense.

As shop keeper living outside Melbourne as you purport to be when you have too many banana's you do not order more, you order oranges. I believe it is one of these interminable press releases from the defence force to give people the warm and fuzzies and being seen to comply with current thinking but in effect little will change....calm down dear.

Lord Egbut

David said...

Shelldrake, as I see it, the subject is about creating more opportunities for women in the ADF, opportunities women have been denied because of misogynist commanders such as The Veteran.

He calls the "feminazis" and then claims it isn't an insult.

Women are forever being held back by those out dated attitudes. See the recent 16 page memo by former Google employee James Damore for how pervasive that attitude is amongst mainly white males, aka dudebros.

The ADF can, and has, set recruiting targets to try to encourage more women applicants, but unless they address the underlying misogyny and sexual harassment in the ranks, women will still leave, thus denying the ADF their talent.

David said...

Andrei, does your wife know about your rather disturbing photo collection?

Nobel said...

The ADF Women in the Forces 2015 Report agreed with the 2012 report Gerald posted and set targets. To meet targets eventually it becomes nrcessary to impose quotas. No suprises there.

Andrei said...

David In the real world in any endeavour the idea is to fit the best people you can into the roles you wish them to perform

For some reason people of little brain such as yourself insist on forcing square pegs into round holes to achieve some theoretical vision of "fairness and equality"

It is bonkers of course but then you are part of a people who are on your way out, disappearing in an orgy of self indulgence and vapidity

Anyone with any brains realizes that mixed gender infantry divisions are a very bad idea because if called upon to do what infantry divisions are expected to do the women will be the weakest link and will undermine unit cohesion and performance for a number of reasons, one being sexual jealousy, another being the natural male protectiveness towards women and a third being the gender warriors seeing men as sexual predators and demanding punishments for any detected breach of their arbitrary code of conduct.

Why fuckwits such as yourself can't let men be men and women be women beggars belief

- Believe me none of my daughters feel hard done by by not being able to serve as infantrypersons. And sometimes they like to get away from men and enjoy female only company just as most men like to have some men only time even though we love the opposite sex

Waikikamukau News said...

David, you are pushing poo up a hill with a toothpick with Veteran.

His post shows the classic signs of white privilege, so privileged that he does not realise it.

Good that his daughter was one of the Navy's first female seaman officers. I am sure she received no armchair ride and nor did she seek one.

But I'll also bet a packapoo ticket to a $million that having a decorated military father helped her along the way. This is not in anyway to diminish her achievements, just that some people do get an armchair ride without even realising it. I am sure the same would happen if, say, Willie Apiata's child was to enlist.

Not all those who enlist are as fortunate, some need a little help in opening a door.

The Veteran said...

Shelldrake ... uptick, uptick, uptick. For those of you who don't know the meaning of Shelldrake ... tough.

Shelldrake said...

Roger Foxhound. Send target information, Over.

The Veteran said...

Waikikamukau news ... if you think my name as someone 'brown' resonated at all with those those who wore Navy blue then that shows how dumb you are. For s*********s, I 'retired' a decade before our daughter enlisted. As for 'white privilege' and with a State House background and my Dad a Labour Party activist ... I think not.

The Veteran said...

Shelldrake ... Fire-mission Regiment, 160 Willis Street Wellington, 10 rounds FFE, over.

Shelldrake said...

Target confirmed. 10 rnds FFE. Bugger make it 20. Should make their eyes water and bowels move.

Shot over,

Anonymous said...

David ...your posts on this matter would carry more weight if you actually had some idea how things worked in the Army, human nature and conditions on a typical battlefield.

The opposite gender of a male chauvinistic pig is a feminazi.....rolls off the tongue easier.
Wai news....inferring that Veteran threw his not inconsiderable weight around to gain favours for his daughter is insulting and without foundation.

Veteran...I fail to see the humour in wanting to obliterate Labour party HQ, in fact you are thread jacking your own post.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Have watched this post and particularly the uneducated ravings and ramblings of David.
David when you get a bee in your bonnet , you need to know how to deal with it.
Spraying bile every where dosent help.

No doubt you have a safe room at your home where you can get away from all the nasty people who have opinions , or do you just stick your head in the sand?

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... re your 10.55. Yes, I apologize. Was just getting a tad pissed of with some comments.

Noel said...

To get back with out laying a gun, quotas follow targets as night follows day.
To accuse the ADF of been PC is simplistic. It was given a target and regardless of the down sides quotas are the most effective way of achieving them.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... Yes, the ADF were given (or perhaps self-imposed) targets for what ever reason (and for what it is worth I think they generated by feminazis). Having done that they were hoist by their own petard ... quotas are a blunt instrument with, as you acknowledge, many downsides. I do not see this move as enhancing capability in the ADF.

Noel said...

Aw gee the US Wants a one to four ratio vs the ADF one to 10.
Quotas may be a blunt instrument but the do get to target quickly with no need for there continuance when that is achieved.

I was in engineering, previously an all male workshop.
The first female apprentice had a hard time and left but by the time I had to medically retire after 28 years the ratio was one to eight.

A major factor was the retirement of older tradesmen with entrenched views.

The only difference was some of the women had difficulty with some of the heavier jobs but that was overcome.

Bit like the British Army study years back that women can carry loads better on the hip than the back.

Noel said...

Sorry forgot.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2015/09/26/recruiters-face-gender-quotas-new-challenges-in-2016/

Anonymous said...

Feminazi is banned in Scrabble.

The Veteran said...

Anon 12.15 ... dunno why. The term is covered off in the Urban Dictionary,

I am drawn to this comment by a female contributor ... "A feminazi is not a feminist. Feminists believe in equal rights for us, feminazis just make us look stupid. Feminazis believe that all men are idiots, wearing a bra is a symbol of oppression (personally I find bras comfortable), shaving our legs is apparently showing that we GIVE INTO MALE PRESSURE TO BE ATTRACTIVE HOLY SHIT, snowmen must be called "snowpeople", and that any song that mentions a girl is supporting rape or whatever. Is apparently against sexism, making them a hugefuckinghypocrite.

Anonymous said...

You saying women in the Australian Government Gender Equality Agency don't wear bras?

David said...

Maybe because the urban Dictionary is not an authoritative source? Perhaps the "woman" you quoted above is actually a fat loner loser sitting in stained undies munching on cheetos in his mother's basement. He loves him some Trump and wonders when it will be his turn to become a pussy grabber.

The Veteran said...

Anon 2.10 .... dunno but, if they're anything like Catherine Delahunty, probably not.

I think this thread has probably run its course.

gravedodger said...

Gee whiz you do nasty so well David, did you major in that subject at The Saltwater Creek University for Special Needs?

gravedodger said...

Agreed Vet, was typing contemporaneously.
Apologies and memories of Gerald Blaythwate LLB esq.

Psycho Milt said...

Feminazis believe that all men are idiots, wearing a bra is a symbol of oppression (personally I find bras comfortable), shaving our legs is apparently showing that we GIVE INTO MALE PRESSURE TO BE ATTRACTIVE HOLY SHIT, snowmen must be called "snowpeople", and that any song that mentions a girl is supporting rape or whatever.

In other words, "feminazis" are an entirely fictional entity invented for political purposes by deranged actual fascists like Rush Limbaugh.

PS: I notice that Blogger's spellchecker flags "feminazi" as not being a real word.

Anonymous said...

"I notice Bloggers spell checker flags Feminazi as not been a real word"
No high score for Veteran?


Anonymous said...

In other news

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/candidate-to-be-first-female-navy-seal-officer-quits-after-a-week-report/article/2631205

Gerald said...

Ok no report on the other female applicant.
So two apply and confirmed one didn't make it. If the other does that makes it 50 percent pass rate for females vs 6 percent for males.

Anonymous said...

The second candidate is in the SWCC program. Different to the one that already dropped out.

Gerald said...

Ok 1 female applicant fails O percent pass vs 1000 male applicants 6 percent pass.