Monday, August 7, 2017

NEWSFLASH ... SOME GREEN MPs HAVE ETHICS

The news that Green MPs Kennedy Graham and David Clenden have quit the Party in protest over the Metiria Turei debacle was not expected.   Clearly their loyalty to their own consciences over-rode their loyalty to their Party.    They have taken a big leap up in my estimation.  

It's clear that Turei calls the shots in her party and that her co-leader, James Shaw, has poodle status with his only response to her demand to jump being 'how high'.

And watch the crap being dished out now to Graham and Clendon (the Party Whip) ... they were never part of Team Green; they were disaffected with their List placing .... and more to come.  So much for a Party that doesn't do personality politics ... or ethics 101.

I look forward to PM's defense of the indefensible.



37 comments:

Psycho Milt said...

Nah, I already said plenty over on this thread.

Will repeat one of them here though:

James Shaw: We are disappointed they’ve made this decision, though we respect their right to do so.

“I’m telling you, either she goes or I go!”

“OK, seeya.”

“Er…”

“Wot you still here bro?”

The Veteran said...

PM ... I watch with a degree of amusement the Green Party editing themselves out of contention as a serious player post the election. Current issues aside and it's clear that Turei has high-jacked the Party and saddled it with a hard-left social agenda of the John Frum variety devoid of any personal responsibility. With that they are destined to remain on the sidelines and their chance of even bridesmaid status is fast disappearing. I suspect Rob Donald will be turning in his grave.

If their main focus had been on environmental issues then they might have achieved traction with National in the same way ACT has. National has a very active Blue-Green wing and could have made common cause with the Greens provide both sides had been prepared to give a little to gain a lot and that surely is the essence of MMP politics.

I know some good people in the Greens and right now they are feeling terribly betrayed.

paul scott said...

Its excellent to see the Green party melting down.
Now, nobody is to do anything to encourage Me Tu to go.
Leave them alone, the enemy is destroying itself.
Should be a small transfer of votes from Red Green to socialist Labour.
Still 39% or 40% which ever way you look at it

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Poor Milt

After a herculean effort you thought you were just starting to get somewhere but along came a couple of pricks called Clendon and Graham who ripped your arse off.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Did the Greens and their media sycophants ever seriously think this bullshit would fly?

Psycho Milt said...

I know some good people in the Greens and right now they are feeling terribly betrayed.

You and me both. I don't think Clevedon and Graham will be able to show their faces around any Greens for a while - that kind of betrayal may be something that time can heal, but certainly not quickly.

Allan said...

Mana from heaven. Wonderful to see the watermelons self destruct. Their green credentials had been hijacked by the Marxists a long time ago. Absolutely no loss to the Political scene in New Zealand. I still do not understand why the MSM ever gave them oxygen, they were an absolute waste of space and taxpayers money.

Psycho Milt said...

Shaw just held a press conference. Caucus feels betrayed by these two deliberately trying to damage the party in the middle of an election campaign and are therefore glad to see them go. Turei backed 100% by the rest of the caucus. They remain the party I thought they were (heh - no doubt right-wingers would say the same thing).

Andrei said...

But PM Shaw is one co leader - where was the other co-leader tonight?

She is being conspicuously MIA

The Greens are trying to put out a narrative she was moved by a DPB beneficiary who committed suicide - well you brought up tax, I know three guys who fell foul of the IRD and lost everything and one of them committed suicide because believe me the IRD shows no mercy if you screw up even inadvertently, one of the guys lost his business home and everything because his accounted fucked up, not him but it made no difference to the IRD

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Poor Milt

After a herculean effort you thought you were just starting to get somewhere but along came a couple of pricks called Clendon and Graham who ripped your arse off.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

After today, Winston won't have to worry about going into coalition with the Greens. They won't be in parliament.

Psycho Milt said...

I know three guys who fell foul of the IRD and lost everything and one of them committed suicide because believe me the IRD shows no mercy if you screw up even inadvertently...

I seem to recall writing a post on that very topic just this morning, maybe you commented on it without actually reading it?

Psycho Milt said...

After today, Winston won't have to worry about going into coalition with the Greens. They won't be in parliament.

Changed your mind about voting for them, have you? Fuck, the Greens' support among retired life-long National voters is crumbling, somebody do something quickly!

Nick K said...

I have met both Dave Clendon and Kennedy Graham on the stage at election meetings. I like them both. Ken is an encyclopedia on climate change. They both argue the issue, and never the man. Never.

They're also totally unsuited to parliament because they're decent, intelligent human beings with principle. So good luck chaps, you're better off without her.

paul scott said...

Nick K has a point about decency, but can you imagine anything worse than meeting a green hoax Encyclopaedia of climate change. yaraarrgh not good.

Johno said...

Only in the Orwellian dystopia of left wing politics can standing by your personal principles be "disrepute" and lying and stealing be "integrity".

Doublespeak is now the official language of the Green Party of Aotearoa.

Anonymous said...

How about a fresh Party in the future named "The Non-Marxist Greens?" The current lot are already defunct and their decomposition smells will infect Labour's camp thanks to the MOU.

Cadwallader

Psycho Milt said...

They're also totally unsuited to parliament because they're decent, intelligent human beings with principle.

They're also unsuited to Parliament because they're the kind of people who'd deliberately damage their party in the middle of an election campaign. No political party wants people like that in its ranks.

Andrei said...

"hey're also unsuited to Parliament because they're the kind of people who'd deliberately damage their party in the middle of an election campaign. No political party wants people like that in its ranks."

You just don't get it do you PM - it isn't them that has damaged the party - it is that castle dwelling, designer clothes wearing toad, the father of whose child owned a house in a prosperous suburb of Auckland and which she said was her residence at the same time posing as a hard done by single mother struggling to feed her child and goofing around playing politics and at university.

At that time I was raising four young children with my wife - working all hours to pay the mortgage and feed them and paying 33% of what I earned in tax - money that should have gone into my children went to support this woman, her bastard child, the father of whom apparently was evading his responsibilities, if her tales are to be believed, and her utterly frivolous lifestyle.

This bloated bundle of narcissistic , self absorbed, self righteousness is utterly contemptible


Psycho Milt said...

You just don't get it do you PM - it isn't them that has damaged the party - it is that castle dwelling, designer clothes wearing toad...

I get it very clearly. The "castle-dwelling, designer-clothes-wearing toad" has caused huge, irreparable damage to the Greens among conservatives and other right-wingers who would never vote for the Greens no matter what but brought the Greens a big boost among potential Green voters. The two back-stabbers have caused huge, irreparable damage to the Greens among potential Green voters and have been lauded only by the Greens' opponents for the damage they've done - that puts them beyond the pale as traitors to their own party, betrayers of their colleagues and the people who've supported them in the past. I get it very fucking well, thank you.

Anonymous said...

Don't write the Greens off just yet. Wait until after the election then you can say. "I told you so" but only if you can. The Greens will survive and will continue to be a responsible voice in NZ politics. Make no mistake about that.
Fred2

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

No Milt, I haven't changed my mind. I've never voted Labour/Labor, let alone a mob of commies who aren't sure whether they are Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists or Trotskyites but who think Pol Pot and Hugo Chavez are the duck's nuts.

Ciaron said...

...The two back-stabbers have caused huge, irreparable damage to the Greens..

How so?

Seeing as both men have said they were acting on conscience, it sounds like you have some inside information beyond being a being disappointed with their list rankings. Do tell.

Psycho Milt said...

How so? Picture a bunch of National MPs quitting in the middle of the election campaign over a dispute with Bill English, in which the quitters claimed they were acting from conscience, and the media were running stories with headlines like "Chaos in National." I'm pretty sure that such a situation would be easily recognised by National's supporters as very damaging to the party's electoral prospects.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

"I'm pretty sure that such a situation would be easily recognised by National's supporters as very damaging to the party's electoral prospects."

Quite so, Milt. It's just that National is not stupid enough to put up a recidivist and unrepentant benefit fraudster as its leader.

I imagine what must be really getting under your skin is Turei's failure to confess her sins to the Greens when she was first 'vetted.'

Or is vetting of candidates to eliminate duds simply another unnecessary inconvenience?

Ciaron said...

PM, It's only damaging if what they're basing the decision to leave on is true. If what the Green party is saying (that Kennedy and Clendon are butt-hurt about list placings etc.) is true, what possible damage can that do to the potential Green voter? Or are Potential Green voters not able to differentiate between clay and faecal matter?

Psycho Milt said...

It's just that National is not stupid enough to put up a recidivist and unrepentant benefit fraudster as its leader.

Er, National is stupid enough to put up an unrepentant fraudster who's alleged to have used taxpayers' money to try and cover up a crime as its leader. It's just that none of its MPs have the integrity to find that questionable.

Psycho Milt said...

PM, It's only damaging if what they're basing the decision to leave on is true.

And again, I believe you would be able to recognise the damage if the MPs in question were National ones and the media headlines were about National. It's politics - the truth of the matter is the least relevant aspect.

Ciaron said...

I suppose you're right PM.
Where you are mistaken, is that if a handful of National MPs walked because it came to light (i.e. was demonstrable) that the credibility of the PM was seriously compromised, I wouldn't see that as something to be "managed"or "mitigated". I'd see it as game over, you're out.

Psycho Milt said...

Now we're back to Talking Past Each Other again. As explained there, I don't see Turei's credibility as compromised, just as Adolf and the Veteran don't see Bill English's credibility as compromised.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Milt

Are you really, really trying hard to attract a defamation action?

Ciaron said...

Now we're back to Talking Past Each Other again. As explained there, I don't see Turei's credibility as compromised, just as Adolf and the Veteran don't see Bill English's credibility as compromised.

No, you and I are discussing a hypothetical in which members of a party claim they are leaving because the leaders credibility is compromised.

Psycho Milt said...

I'm no longer sure what we're discussing. You suggested having MPs quit in the middle of an election campaign and the resulting "X Party in chaos" media headlines wouldn't necessarily be damaging to a party's election prospects. I find that unlikely. It's a matter of opinion, basically.

Ciaron said...

PM,
If you're right about the party being behind Turei, and she dindonuffin, why would the greens lose votes?

Psycho Milt said...

There's nothing magical about Green voters that makes them impervious to news stories claiming division and disarray within the party. Some will be swayed by this.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

"There's nothing magical about Green voters that makes them impervious to news stories claiming division and disarray within the party.">

So that must be why the media carries so many negative stories about the Gnats?

Psycho Milt said...

I think it's more the constant shitty things the Nats do that causes the negative stories.