Wednesday, August 9, 2017

A QUESTION

Will Kennedy Graham and David Clendon, the two principled members of the Greens with their mana still intact, be welcomed back into the fold?

Silly question.

22 comments:

Psycho Milt said...

Would National MPs who betrayed their party by deliberately damaging it during an election campaign be welcomed back into the fold? That's a pretty stupid question, right?

Andrei said...

PM They didn't damage the party

The sad thing is that Meteria Turei has with her total lack of insight and hubris has not only destroyed her Party but also made life far more difficult for beneficiaries by conforming to the stereotype of being a cheat - she claimed have been trying to raise awareness of their plight but what she has brought in focus is welfare fraud


And Milt my friend there is more to come, "the fat lady hasn't finished singing yet" - I don't know how long you can remain in denial

Psycho Milt said...

Oh, for fuck's sake.

1. The Green Party isn't "destroyed" by this loss of vote share any more than Labour was "destroyed" by its loss of vote share.

2. What right-wingers imagine the motivations of the people who support left-wing parties might be is of comedy value only.

3. Sure there's more to come. One thing the people running NZ won't stand for is someone getting traction on the idea that poverty exists in this country and needs to be dealt with. The dirt-digging will go on for a while yet, I expect, and suckers will continue to lap it up.

Lindsay Mitchell said...

"One thing the people running NZ won't stand for is someone getting traction on the idea that poverty exists in this country and needs to be dealt with"

Disagree. There is a Ministerial Committee on Poverty:

https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/publications/ministerial-committee-poverty

Andrei said...

". One thing the people running NZ won't stand for is someone getting traction on the idea that poverty exists in this country and needs to be dealt with"

Actually Milt I think there is poverty in this country and it needs to be dealt with - and that when people fall on hard times we should help them out

Which is why Metiria Turei's behaviour in taking advantage of the system is so abominable because she fucks it up for the real poor and those in real need

paul scott said...

Clendon and Graham are better off out.
As I said somewhere else Green is no place for white men specially over 50 with any conservative ideas at all.
I found that out when I was much younger and joined Rod Donald up to Green in Christchurch, late 1990's.
The first people in thought we could hold the Green party as a Green party.
Rod, fresh from his machinations on electoral reform, and others made it clear that in progressive parlance Green is Red.

Anonymous said...

Andrei...you have never been poor but you certainly are not wealthy because at both ends of the spectrum human nature looks for the loopholes that enable more money and the rich are more adept and least likely to caught. It is only the middle class without the the need or the nerve to defeat the system adopt your holier than thou attitude.

The rank hypocrisy and brutal language coming from some of these posts is gut churning. I suspect that your affairs would not stand close scrutiny either.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

Troll Scott....I actually knew Rod Donald before his untimely death and you are a lying little troll. In defence of Rod I would say he was committed to people and their well being but had no business sense at all which is not a good combination. Now tell us about your old veterinarian practise in CHC.....funnily enough I'm with a CHC vet who is in this part of France for two weeks...do tell.

Lord Egbut

Psycho Milt said...

Disagree. There is a Ministerial Committee on Poverty

Sure there is. Run by a government that refuses to try and measure poverty, refuses to accept that homeless people freezing to death on the streets or living in cars is a problem, and sets its dirty politics crew to dig dirt on anyone who sticks their head above the parapet, so it can show the person isn't actually poor and is in any case undeserving of sympathy, empathy or any other feelngs civilised humans might have for a fellow human.

Psycho Milt said...

Actually Milt I think there is poverty in this country and it needs to be dealt with - and that when people fall on hard times we should help them out

Then vote Green. They're the only party proposing to do anything about it.

Johno said...

Milt, you really need to ease up on the transparent bullshit:

"MPs who betrayed their party by deliberately damaging it during an election campaign"

Graham and Clendon did not deliberately or otherwise damage the Greens. They were simply forced to put their ethics and integrity (Green Party values) ahead of a Green Party that was supporting dishonesty and theft.

We now know after the Checkpoint revelations that the whole story about Turei being unable to get by on her DPB was a *total lie*. She had plenty of family support, and no valid reason to rort the system. She's the only one who damaged the party.

And people like you clinging to her political corpse are continuing the damage.

The Veteran said...

PM ... in your continuing defence of Turei perhaps you might care to comment on the following report from the Checkpoint programme ....

"A close family member told us today that extended family members had found the last few weeks 'galling' listening to Meteria Turei's claim that she had committed benefit fraud because she and her young daughter needed the domestic purposes benefit in order to survive.

The family member strongly refuted this, telling Checkpoint Ms Turei's daughter Piupiu was much loved and supported by her extended family including paternal grandmother, former North Shore Major and Labour MP Ann Hartley.

The family member expressed disappointment that Ms Turei's friends didn't speak up about the fraud at the time saying 'That's what's galling for our extended family. It really is. It's absolutely outrageous' ..."

Psycho Milt said...

Graham and Clendon did not deliberately or otherwise damage the Greens.

Funnily enough, all the right-wingers are saying that. For my money, if your entire caucus and the party membership are saying you betrayed them, while the party's enemies are giving you enthusiastic endorsement, it's pretty clear that you haven't acted in the best interests of your party.

Psycho Milt said...

PM ... in your continuing defence of Turei perhaps you might care to comment on the following report from the Checkpoint programme ...

Sure. Sounds like Turei's extended family has a real arsehole among them, an arsehole who is also not very bright, as they seem to imagine "needed the DPB in order to survive" and "daughter was much loved and supported by her extended family" are mutually exclusive statements.

The Veteran said...

PM ... I agree the statements are mutually exclusive so someone is lying. Now, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but Whaleoil is running a piece that the 'hit' on Turei was orchestrated by Labour with help from the Hartley family.

The question you have to ask ... who benefits most from any melt down by the Greens. Well it sure wasn't National.

The Polls, the Polls, the Polls ... herein the answer.

Psycho Milt said...

They are not mutually exclusive statements. You can have all the love and support in the world, but it doesn't pay your rent or put food on your table.

As for what National's dirty politics team has to say about anything involving people on the left, it's concocted and distributed with a purpose and that purpose isn't anything I'd want to be part of.

Johno said...

So St John of Campbell, formerly darling of the liberal left, is now part of National's dirty politics team, Milt?

After all, his team dug up the story that finally removed Turei's fingernails from the edge of the precipice.

The Veteran said...

PM ... support means more than a shoulder to lean against if it comes from those with means ... and the Hartley family had means.

I have always thought of you as pragmatic but are you seriously arguing that Labour would never consider putting a 'hit' on Turei especially given that they had been leaking votes to the Greens (and Winston First). Rhetorical question ... the answers in the polls.

Ciaron said...

Funnily enough, all the right-wingers are saying that. For my money, if your entire caucus and the party membership are saying you betrayed them, while the party's enemies are giving you enthusiastic endorsement, it's pretty clear that you haven't acted in the best interests of your party.

Ha Ha LOL. Welcome to the Greens. We OWN you now... Sounds very Animal Farm.

Psycho Milt said...

So St John of Campbell, formerly darling of the liberal left, is now part of National's dirty politics team, Milt?

Nope - just part of the media, which loves digging up dirt on people.

PM ... support means more than a shoulder to lean against if it comes from those with means ... and the Hartley family had means.

If I offer someone in my extended family "love and support" I'm not offering to pay their rent or buy their groceries. It's funny how every right-winger in the country is now a self-proclaimed expert on Metiria Turei's private life and domestic arrangements 20+ years ago. In reality, you're just a bunch of malicious gossips with various bigoted reckons you peddle to each other as rumours.

Sounds very Animal Farm.

Can you name a political party that doesn't expect its MPs to act in the best interests of the party?

Ciaron said...

Can you name a political party that doesn't expect its MPs to act in the best interests of the party?

I thought the Greens didn't go in for that "standard politics" type stuff. I thought they were supposed to be all about integrity.

Psycho Milt said...

A party's MP acting in their party's best interests is integrity.

I thought the Greens didn't go in for that "standard politics" type stuff.

They don't. One of the ways in which they don't is that you don't do that "Either she goes or I go" bullshit, because it's up to the members to decide that, and you don't go to the media ahead of your colleagues. Clendon and Graham came up short on both counts.