Wednesday, July 19, 2017


Both Whaleoil and Don Brash waxed lyrical over Winston Peter's announcement (as yet another bottom line?) that NZ First would insist on the holding of a referendum on the abolition of the Maori seats.   Clearly Whaleoil and Brash accepted the announcement on its face value without bothering to check the detail.

Wikipedia has a substantial section on the calls for the abolition of the Maori seats.   It includes this offering ... " NZ First also advocates abolition of the separate electorates but says that the Māori voters should make the decision".       That can only be taken to mean voters on the Maori roll.  If that's the case you have to ask then why turkeys would vote for an early Xmas.   It's all smoke and mirrors.   A non referendum gerrymandered to maintain the status quo.

So c'mon on Winston ... fess up.   What exactly is your policy.    Is voting in 'your' referendum to be limited to those on the Maori roll?    


Anonymous said...

Any dates on that statement veteran?........I suspect that if he were to be asked that question today he would say it would be a New Zealand referendum. Fighting smoke and mirrors with more smoke and mirrors is not the way to go. Try calling and asking him.

A very interesting article on the world wide right wing movement here. Would advise a close watch.

Lord Egbut

Gerald said...

Try calling and asking him.
No need.

The Veteran said...

Gerald ... thank you for that. Guess that leaves Whaleoil and Don Brash with egg all over their faces.

Egbut ... answered.

Whaleoil said...

Egg all over my face?


In your rush to hate on Winston you've failed to realise two things.

Things have moved on. Secondly Claire Trevett lied in her article, she quoted Shane Jones, but that was something he said months ago...before he was a candidate.

Winston has been clearer that either of you two on this.

"There is going to be referenda in which every registered voter will be entitled to cast a vote or votes as they choose.

A vote on a referendum to abolish the Maori seats will be for everyone "regardless of race", says Winston Peters.
The NZ First leader has ruled out only those on the Maori roll voting in a referendum on whether to keep the seven Maori seats - a bottom-line policy announced at the weekend.
Peters said he made it "very clear" in his speech to party supporters on Sunday that this is a "vote for everybody who is over 18 years of age, who is entitled to be on the New Zealand electoral roll regardless of race".

Muldoon once told a young Maurice Williamson that the best advice he could listen to would be to recognise that he has two ears and one mouth and they should be used in that ratio.

I'm not sure I have egg all over my face at all...Winston Peters ahs said the referendum is for EVERYONE.

An apology would be nice.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the clarification Winnieoil.....who are these feckless wonders to question the integrity of the brown Drumph

Anonymous said...

Anon: 11:01.

Who amongst us should question the integrity of ANY politician apart from those on our team. What strange tribal people we are when a when a personality or a misdemeanour is more important than policy or the country.

If the people we have elected are not up to standard it is our fault not theirs..

Lord Egbut

The Veteran said...

Whaleoil ... I don't have a particular 'hate' on Peters. He is a populist politician par excellence and I don't particularly 'do' populist politicians. They come and go with the tide. In respect of my post and thank you for the clarification of the clarification. But in reversing a long held policy it would help if Pita Paraone (NZF Maori Spokesman) were on the same page as Winston First.

There is a certain creative tension between Paraone and Winston with Paraone being elbowed aside in the Whangarei seat he has long contested in favour of the Jones boy.

A referendum restricted to those on the Maori roll would be a slam dunk for retention.
A referendum in which all electors can vote will be a slam dunk for abolishment. On balance I think the Maori seats should go. They served a purpose before the advent of MMP. Nowadays the four main political parties all have Maori MPs as either electorate or list MPs. The Maori seats are an anachronism.

paul scott said...

For a populist >Come and go with the tide< politician [ one who considers and adheres to wishes of the public ] Winston has been around for quite a few tide turnings.