Friday, May 12, 2017

SENSIBLE.


Food safety Minister David Bennett has declined a move to add folic acid to all NZ baked bread.
A move that would add compulsion to all unable to home bake their bread.

Fluoridation and vaccines are in the basket of beneficial hopes for outcomes for the population from interventionist actions.
There is considerable benefit from folic acid in combatting the effects from neural tube defects in newborns.

However the move to have all bread folic acid added is much harder to justify for multiple reasons;
It would be more difficult to circumvent to cater for reasonable objection,
It is of little benefit if any to the vast majority who are not carrying a developing embryo,
How many potential at risk embryos will not get the protection intended,
Vaccines can be declined,
Non fluoridated water readily available.

Now Mr Bennett, apply your newfound wisdom to all the other stupid ineffectual "nanny state" acts that your Government and previous bunches of well meaning albeit misguided legislators have saddled the long suffering tax payer enabling victims with, as untold impositions.

Spina Bifida is but one possible preventable unfortunate outcome facing newborns with sad cases resulting from drug and alcohol syndromes being more prevelant.


11 comments:

Nodl said...

Canadian experience found that the target population didn't eat a lot of bread.

David said...

It would be more difficult to circumvent to cater for reasonable objection,

What would constitute a "reasonable objection"?

It is of little benefit if any to the vast majority who are not carrying a developing embryo,

As it is also of little harm to unpregnant people, what is the problem?

How many potential at risk embryos will not get the protection intended,

Fewer if the addition of folic acid continues, more if it is discontinued.

Vaccines can be declined,

As there is almost no medical reason to decline vaccination, many states/countries are now making vaccination mandatory for child welfare payments, pre school and school entry, etc. Yes, there are a few children for who vaccination is contraindicated, which makes it a necessity that the remained of a cohort are vaccinated.

Spina Bifida is but one possible preventable unfortunate outcome facing newborns with sad cases resulting from drug and alcohol syndromes being more prevelant.

Spina Bifida is one of a number of ailments that can be reduced with folic acid. It can also aid with the prevention of cleft palate and congenital heart problems.

Why are you happy to say "Oh well, Child A is going to get fetal alcohol syndrome so why bother about child B having a cleft palate"? Working to prevent one does not mean we cannot also work to prevent others.



David said...

Nodl, do you have citations for your claim re Canada?

gravedodger said...

David, Spina Bifida is the one outcome used in promoting the inclusion of folic acid in a pregnant female's diet by way of suplement advertising as I guess it has the most dramatic impact sadly.
How would you propose forcing breeding age females at risk of pregnancy to eat the bread, hell they cant stop them drinking alcohol.
I am not advocating denying anyone so inclined to ingest folate via diet or supplements but to make every one ingest it that is another matter but where to stop with nanny state interference in our lives.

I wonder what is the proportion of fertile females who would eschew bread, asparagus, broccoli, oranges, mango, avocado, spinach, lentils and other foods that have folate.

Anonymous said...

During the exhaustive epidemiological tests in the 1980's and 90's when they were trying to link Spina Bifida with Agent Orange they discovered that it was more prevalent in those of the lower income bracket with main link being obesity particularly in latinos. This is echoed with Maori and Pacific Islanders being over represented..........encouraging people in this situation to eat bread may not be wise.

Lord Egbut

(There is no link between SP and agent orange or any other birth defect)

Anonymous said...

Folic Acid is a man made form of Folate that is harmful to about a third of the population as it binds to the receptors for the active form of Folate. Our third world medical system and pollys have no idea and are about 30 years behind current research. I guess you need to get rid of the masses some how.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10.02 If you are going to talk shite at least come up with a suitable nom de plume. Can I suggest Luke Shitetalker.

Lord Egbut

Jobson Growth said...

Lord Egbut, I am sure anon 10:02 has a batch of "studies" to support his idiocy, most of them peer reviewed and published in "Nexus", "Uncensored", "New Dawn", etc.

Gerald said...

"There is no link between SP and agent orange"

Your'e right the only link for SB was a Ranch Hand study which was never challenged by the scientific community, but was obviously a result of data dredging.
Whilst Australia has revoked this association New Zealand continues to list it in the Conclusively Presumed list that cannot be challenged.

Mind you Prostate cancer has been subject to a meta data investigation recently and was found unlikely to have an association with Agent Orange.

That condition remains in the Conclusively Presumed list never to be challenged.

Anonymous said...

Gerald.........What!!! Who wants to challenge a handful of 30 year old SB cases. I hope they have had a successful life. It is no longer relevant. No SB cases were found in the Ranch Hand study outside the average.

Lord Egbut

Noel said...

I dont think Gerald is challenging the previous cases. Given they were elevated beyond scientific reason to deflect from the few Veterans aided bt the Presumptive List, whilst the RMA SOPs would not be grudgingly promoted until over a decade late I can see the insult in allowing the Conclusively Presumed list to remain.

Don't forget the RMA SOPs can be revoked at any time when conclusive evidence is presented.