Tuesday, February 28, 2017

RELIGION OF PEACE, MAYBE, BUT WELL HIDDEN AT PRESENT.



Andrew Bolt 2100 our time  on weekdays is a good link to what is really happening in the West Island.
With some great guests he often gets the real news out and last week he had a most revealing segment for one who often struggles to understand what the MSM reports on matters Islamic.

Now when one of Muhammad's followers becomes excited and a "Lone Wolf" incident ensues the facts are so often obscured behind some of the most unusual journalistic claptrap leaving someone who actually gives a toss bemused, to be frank.

I understand that chopping a thief's hand off might cause them to reflect that another "getting caught" might make wiping their arse somewhat fraught, being careless and getting herself raped might create some headaches for the victim, and daring to show an interest in Christendom or Judaism might require ones head to be removed for closer inspection. but getting anyone of the far too many who refuse to see Islam and Sharia as any residual threat to western values and mores, remains a fruitless search.

Can a single, pun intended, female,  intent on following the herd response that all men are rapists give any explanation as to how they see no threat to women's rights from the battalions of imams and sheiks who don't even let sheilah's into their mosques main chambers, yet can continue the now almost one and a half milennia of treating a wife as a chattel. Such blind stupid ignoring the elephant in the mosque defies my logic.

Back to Andrew and his interview with the eminently amiable and exuding peace and calm, one Mr Keysa Trad The Chairman of some Muslim collective that seems to be a point of contact on matters Islamic for media in Australia
The question being addressed was the rather archaic fact that the Muslim Bible suggests a man may beat a wife who displeases him, now I don't know about anyone else but I figured out real early in social intercourse with sheilahs that hitting was not an option.
No need for religious instruction or any faith based reasoning, hitting a girl was verboten, that was just how it was.
Good ole Boy Keysa was dancing on a pinhead with Bolt, trying to give an explanation that it might only be a last resort after flowers and Chocolate had not solved things,  then counselling  and debate had failed, disobedience might require a smacking.
A couple of things there that need further research;
Where would Keysa find flowers and chocolates in the bloody desert where the nonsense all began.
I firmly believe that no means no, headaches and too tired are not necessary but totally reasonable, as if they would make a Keysa reconsider his demands.
Women are always at a minimum, the equal of men and all too often in matters domestic more astute arbiters.

So maybe Islam and I will never come to an understanding but watching the hapless Trad in Bolts relentless questioning was entertaining if somewhat useless in solution seeking.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Being a bit liberterian in some ways I remain bemused over the Liberterian blog Not PC's love of immigration and tolerance of Islam where the latter combined with the former will see a shift in the western civilisation we have come to like (and for good reason). I'm amazed how the love of an ideology and every word spouted by Ayn Rand, can make people blind to reality. I just can't see Sharia Law and NZ getting along so that begs the question of how do we address the former when the west seems reluctant to call it out for the barbarism it is. In my view Islam's theology has it backed into a corner where you need to completely revist god's instructions and thereby admit the prophet, camel piss be upon him, was wrong because god was wrong. Its not going to happen because that will collapse the stinking mess that Islam is when taken seriously. It has no place in the west in my view.

3:16

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:16

“If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;” (Deuteronomy 22:22)

“Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:24)

The old Testament is full of references to violence against women and unbelievers. There are those who espouse the literal meanings in the Koran because it suits their political purpose just as the less educated and desperate have become Trump fanatics.

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut, as well as a bullshitter, you are a fool.

Christ (ergo Christianity) came to replace those old rules, to which you desperately cling in your juvenile attempts to besmirch Christianity by citing the rules of Judaism. Did you stop reading the Bible after Leviticus?

Go and bash your head against the wailing wall. The wall will collapse before your head is damaged.

Anonymous said...

Still can't discuss without hurling insults can you Troll. Your strange sense of humour and your syntax gives you away as a cut and paste Russian. Funny you will only talk to to me on someone else's blog.

When did you stop reading the Kuran?

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Crocodile tears from the idiot who got himself banned for insulting his blog host.

paul scott said...

I can never understand why the scrambled egg comes here for self flagellation .

gravedodger said...

I am no Christian scholar by any measure but I seem to recall from my twice daily Chapel sessions mid twentieth century, where a slight modification of the Leviticus directive came with a call by someone for "them without sin to cast the first stone".
That had a salutary effect of change and recent stonings seem rare today in Christendom or even Judaism which old Levi was immersed in.
Whereas that other script based outfit has some very ghastly and recent incidents that take some stomach to view after ignoring the warnings.
Therein lies my obsessive confusion whether Islam is compatible with modern twenty first century western cultural mores.
Keysa Trad on the other hand performed Olympic level gyrations in his inane and totally failing attempt to justify giving her indoors a bit of rough for daring to say NO.

Anonymous said...

Christ, this is getting surreal. They are fucking books, people in power and the educated have always held sway over the masses and used the "books" to carry their point of view.

It was only 500 years ago where it was a hanging offence to teach the local peasants to read and write in case the church lost their power. For every variation of Christianity there is a variation of Islam.....they aren't all head rocking zombies you will find.

The fact that predominantly Muslim countries can be progressive (Malaysia, UAE, Dubai etc.) or tribal dictatorships (Saudi, Syria, Libya etc).

Like drink driving, animal cruelty and wife beating that were casually accepted in NZ in your day it is only tolerance and education that will bring about change. It is only the fact that western military power and oil interests kept those countries people in servitude and therefore uneducated over last 100 years that has lead us to the present predicament.

The last time a political movement demonised a people and blamed all of a countries ills on a particular group it lead to to the "final solution."

Lord Egbut Nobacon

gravedodger said...

Which one was that egg, Soviet Union, chicoms, pol pot, South Sudan,or have you had a nightmare and Trump nuked Hollywood?
Could I ask, did you see Trad's attempt to redefine what the Islam Book states on wife beating or is it simpler to just lash out as you did.
Blasphemy in your opening said it all really.

The motivation for my post came directly from a very recent example of Muslim clerics and their enablers to perpetrate a religion that has modified so little from that which the desert dweller deliveredaround the sixth century after Jesus began his followers of Christ movement. Christendom has had schisms, reformations and many encompassing moves to embrace enlightenment, maybe you need some.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

GD

When an egg is enlightened it usually means it is rotten.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

To the CV of bullshitter and fool, you may now add 'knave.'

He who professes to demonstrate the evils of Christianity by expounding upon the old testament begins his comment with the words:- 'Christ......they are fucking books..'

Perhaps Legbut has forgotten Churchill was a devout Christian, as was Montogomerie, both of whom knew how to win a war.

Anonymous said...

From the life of Churchill...."I could hardly be called a pillar of the Church,” Winston Churchill once famously remarked, “I am more in the nature of a buttress, for I support it from the outside.” The reasons why our greatest 20th century prime minister—indeed perhaps along with Elizabeth I our greatest ever national leader— was not a Christian are rather bizarre. They include a sectarian nursemaid, a long-forgotten Victorian explorer, and the officers’ mess of the 4th Hussars at Bangalore, India."

Troll, you shoot from the lip and say the first thing that comes into your mind. You poach space from others blogs while not allowing debate on your own. You a fake person with a fake background who posts fake houses. The only one who takes you seriously is Troll Scott.

Lord Egbut


Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Bullshitter, fool. knave, take your pick.

I encourage debate on my blog. I don't allow people like you to take part because you are unable to separate argument from snide remarks, innuendo or plain lies.

So what do you do? Continue to splatter your childish crap on my colleagues' blogs. It must be only a matter of time before they too become tired of you puerile antics.

David said...

Adolf babbled away with Christ (ergo Christianity) came to replace those old rules, to which you desperately cling in your juvenile attempts to besmirch Christianity by citing the rules of Judaism.

How odd, then, that those who call themselves xtians and are the Tiny Dictator's most fervent supporters didn't get that memo. They still quote the OT to deny women, GLBT people, any religion other than fundamentalist evangelical xtianity any rights at all.

They and I believe you, often use the phrase "judeo-christian". You know who never does? Jews.

Egbut may well have stopped at Leviticus for all I know,, but it seems you never made it to Matt 5:18. "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." (ESV) There you go, beaten in debate by Jesus himself. LOL

Martin Luther used the OT to inform his hostility to Jews. Lutheranism was a pervasive force in Germany and in time was co-opted by Hitler as he waged his war on Jews.

Listen to almost any moronic GOP member of any US legislature and you will hear them babbling from the OT to justify all sorts of immoral and anti freedom laws.

Adolf continued to splutter

Well, if they're not books, what the fuck are they? Reading the Bible in its entirety, not just parroting the verses preached in Church, but reading and understanding does more to create Atheists than any other book. The same would apply to the Koran if Muslims read it instead of memorising it. Oh, they do, and that's why there's a growing number of ex Muslims in the world.

I don't allow people like you to take part because you are unable to separate argument from snide remarks, innuendo or plain lies. says the one who has very quickly begun repeating President Agent Orange's lügenpresse.



Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Goodbye David.

David said...
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Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Poor David. Can't keep a civil tongue in his head.

David said...

Adolf, who continually throws insults at others has had his snowflake feewings hurt because I simply pointed out he doesn't like losing. And, true to form, Adolf again comes back with snark, but never manages to address the argument. Reasoned thought seems to beyond his pay grade.

So Adolf, still want to play the man, or do you think you could stretch your few brain cells in to a counter argument?

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Adolf Fiinkensein said...

There you go David. You just got yourself an extra year.

Noel said...

Take me off too.
Can't stomach hypocrisy.