Sunday, January 8, 2017

The Mouse That Roared




Who remembers that wonderful Peter Sellers comedy?

From Wiki, the plot:-

The minuscule European duchy of Grand Fenwick is bankrupted when an American company comes up with a cheaper imitation of Fenwick's sole export, its fabled Pinot Grand Fenwick wine. Crafty prime minister Count Mountjoy (Peter Sellers) devises a plan.  Grand Fenwick will declare war on the United States,

Fast forward from 1959 to 2016 and NZ’s very own pint sized comedian, Murray McCully, declares war on the incoming US administration by sponsoring a UN resolution to help the Islamic  enemies of Israel crush the only democracy in the Middle East.

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Perhaps I don’t read the right reports but I’m yet to see any careful and dispassionate analysis of the potential short, medium and long term effects of this extraordinary episode on the fortunes of New Zealand.  I doubt they will be positive.

I have some questions.

1  Did the cabinet approve the sponsorship of the resolution?  Was the PM kept informed the whole way through?

2  Was this resolution, and NZ’s pivotal part in it, a factor influencing PM John Key to resign?

3  How is it in NZ’s interests to sponsor a resolution organized by the lame duck Israel hating Obama administration in its dying days?

4  What effect will this episode have on NZ’s relationship with the incoming Trump administration? (Cast your mind back to the time when a surly and bitter NZ PM publicly opined that the loser would have been a better president than Dubbya.  Said loser went on to become the world’s most infamous shyster and bullshit artist.)

5  What effect will it have on NZ's relationship with Israel.?  Will Israel stop sharing intelligence with NZ?  

6  Will there be adverse electoral consequences for National or is this just another beltway issue?

(This morning, Whaleoil carries a piece by one MohamedHassan from Radio NZ in which one is informed trade with Israel is around $100m while trade with major Arab states is 4.8b.)  That’s not a bad starting point.

Surely there must be some retired diplomat/MFAT staffer who has the intellectual grunt to produce a decent column on the subject.   Clearly, there are no journalists who are capable.

By the way, for what they are worth, my answers to the above questions are:-

1  I don't know.
2  I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
3  It isn't. 
4  Adverse.
5  Severely adverse.
6  I think National will suffer a significant loss of votes.  Let's see what the next polls have to say.





32 comments:

David said...

Spanish Bride is a Hasbara troll. Possibly also the oily one himself, although he seems to leave most of the heavy work to SB. They take the Israeli Shekel and write the things they are told to write.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

david, you really are a dick.

SB is Spanish Bride.

I happen to know Cameron Slater reasonably well and I doubt your slur is anywhere need accurate.

David said...

It is no slur, it is a statement of opinion, based on the content of pro Israeli Settler/Zionist posts made by SB. If she is not being paid, she is certainly being fed the requisite talking points.

Perhaps you could, for once, engage with the points and avoid the personal attacks. I know it will be a steep learning curve for you, but no one is beyond education.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

david.

A slur is a slur is a slur.

It seems beyond the comprehension of youand other lefties that people actually do support Israel on principle. No need to be paid. Do you also accuse Slater of being paid by Bainimarama?

Unlike the useful idiots on the left who have been paid for years by Moscow to denigrate their own countries.

David said...

Nup, not a slur, no matter what you may think. Slur an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation. In what way is it an insult to accuse someone of supporting Zionism for cash? Unless, of course, support for Zionism is a bad thing. As for reputation, I think Slater's is already well known.

There is a difference between support for Israel when Israel is in the right and the fawning over Israel by the Hasbaras. They remind me of the Australian communists who remained Stalinists after the invasion of Czechoslovakia unable to determine right from wrong.

Anonymous said...

I suspect this resolution was a quid pro quo that went like this.

1 NZ approached the US and inquired about whether a US warship could participate in the 75th commemorations last year.

2 Obama came back and said, " Yes we will send one .....on one condition - we want NZ to do something for us.

3 This little 'something' was communicated to John Key in November, 2016 - NZ must sponsor a resolution in the UN bashing Israel for no good reason.

4 Amongst other reasons for resigning Key could not in good conscience support a resolution giving 'legitimate' authority for Hamas and others to attack Israel.

Despite Key's lack of acknowledgement of his Jewish ancestry he would be well aware of what his mum escaped from and would not want to be seen to vote for the Holocaust Series 2.

5 McCully and English therefore were completing this dirty deal which Obama dreamed up - they hoped it would go through unnoticed - ha fat chance!

The question I have for all the Israel bashers is this:

What is worse - building houses in Judea and Sumeria or sending members of a population with knives, suicide belts, firearms, to kill civilians?

Building houses or teaching your children that Jews are evil and must be killed?

Building houses or shooting rockets at civilian populations?

Building houses or wasting aid money or armaments, tunnels, and bribes?

Do they ever think that if the peace treaty was made with Israel (not likely) and settlements are handed back the Palestinians would inherit ready made communities and townships where waste land once was.

Jimmie


Anonymous said...

Further to my last comment:

Where are the UN resolutions condemning Palestinian terrorism and child brainwashing?

It is this rank hypocrisy that is pushing the UN into irrelevancy.

Jimmie

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Jimmie

You're on to it.

Jobson Growth said...

I have just had a look a whaleoil and I need a shower. David is right, 4 of the 5 articles under the "must read" category are in favour of Israel. Is that the sign of a balanced blog, or one pushing an agenda?

I s the Maori Party a friend of Israel? Is the question posed in one article. Why should any Nz political party be expected to befriend another nation? The Maori Party's brief is a simple one, and meddling in the domestic affairs of other nations is not part of its brief.

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George said...

So 'David' is a muslim apologist..
All those murders, the latest being the truck driven into a group of Israelis is okay by him ?
I suggest he and McCully emigrate to one of those countries that support terrorism.
Say the wrong thing there and tomorrow doesn't happen

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Anonymous said...

'Do they ever think that if the peace treaty was made with Israel (not likely) and settlements are handed back the Palestinians would inherit ready made communities and townships where waste land once was.'

When stuff gets handed back the Palestinians trash it because the leadership, at least, are inbred morons. If it doesn't go boom they are not interested.

3:16

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Well that didn't take long.

Gotta larf when a moronic banned for life troll calls the blog host a troll.

Leftism at its very best.

David said...

@3:16

BY YOUR XTIAN LOVE AND COMPASSION WE RECOGNISE YOU

Angry Tory said...

Where to start. According to the UN, terrorism is a criminal matter for national states. Annexation is against the Hague and Geneva Conventions. Population Transfer is a crime against Humanity.

Angry Tory said...

1. Yes cabinet approved and both English and Key were kept informed. It is inconceivable McCully wouldn't have told cabinet that Israel threatened (or conditionally declared) war on NZ: if he didn't then he'd have been summarily fired.

2. Nope. This resolution restates NZ's longstanding policy - and NZ (i..e Key) wanted to do this ever since we got onto the security council.

3. Every country other than the US, Israel & Australia supports this resolution, so there is unlikely to be long term damage. If anything Netanyahu threatening (or conditionally declaring) war on NZ only made him seem mad, especially in Europe)

4. This resolution will destroy NZ's relationship with the TRUMP administration. All TRUMP's Israel ambassadors and advisors are in favour of annexation (the one Jewish state) solution. This will be seen as personal insult to TRUMP and Netanyahu. TRUMP does not forgive and does not forget. US sanctions could destroy NZ's economy with a month or so (e.g. no transit rights to NZ through US airports or ports).

5. Israel didn't directly share intelligence with NZ; any cooperation has been terminated. No-one seems to know if Netanyahu was serious about his declaration of war on NZ or not. If he was, NZ should expect major infrastructure (power grid, internet, dams, smelters etc) to be hit by a stuxnet derivative, or Wikileaks hitting before the next NZ election, both deniable. It is unlikely Israel could mount an effective military attack on NZ without disclosing its Popeye Turbos. But perhaps TRUMP will do the job for them.

6. An effective infrastructure attack on NZ would have electoral consequences - almost certainly supporting National. Maoridom's strong support for Palestine limits Winston's room for manoeuvre. Either ACT or a new "TRUMPist" party (lead by Judith Collins, supported by Slater acting as NZ's Beppe Grillo) would hold the balance of power.

The question is whether Slater and Collins have the guts.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

AT

Thank you for your reply. But dear boy, do study the transcript. Netanyahu did not threaten to declare war. He suggested to McCully that sponsorship of the resolution by NZ amounted to a declaration of war on Israel.

Have you been taking conflating lessons from david and Legbut?

Angry Tory said...

"“If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war""

(read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.761706) --- note haaretz not some liberal fake news site)

Parse it how you like: Netanyahu said - and meant - unless NZ stops promoting the resolution then Israel and NZ will be at war.

The international precedent for such conditional warnings is: "unless... they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us". You know how that ended: "I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany."

No such undertaking (for NZ to cease to promote the resolution) was received by Israel: furthermore NZ went ahead and promoted the resolution and got it passed. Under the Hague Conventions (as far as it matters) NZ and Israel are at war. Prime Ministers don't say "declaration of war" for foreign ministers unless they mean it.

Angry Tory said...

Or - since the above is TL;DR -

He suggested to McCully that sponsorship of the resolution by NZ amounted to a declaration of war on Israel.

Netanyahu cannot make NZ declare war on Israel. Israel can - in fact, probably has - declared war on NZ.

If push came to shove - e.g. if Israeli police rounded up some NZ backpackers - they would be within their rights to shoot them out of hand as spies. If NZ complained to Magen David Adom, we'd be told to get on our bike.

Absent a declaration of war, you'd need a trial, and without evidence would probably just deport 'em.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

AT

“If you continue to promote this resolution from our point of view it will be a declaration of war"

By NZ, not by Israel.

So will you please stop this ridiculous bullshit about Israel declaring war on NZ?

Angry Tory said...

Last from me this evening:

If you read the whole Haaretz story - we may have pissed of TRUMP but we did so at the behest of England.

A quick trade deal with BREXITed Britain would be worth a hell of a lot more to NZ than a deal that TRUMP has just ripped up and stamped on and promised he'd never sign.

David said...

Adolf, I really hate to say this, but AT has handed you your arse. He is not his usual vitriolic self, but measured and factual in his posts. long may he keep it up. His contribution as well as Lord Egbut's are raising the level of discourse on this blog fom gutter sniping to almost intelligent and thought provoking.

David said...

Still think SB and the oily one are not Hasbara trolls?

19 posts so far today, 6 of them on Israel.