Sunday, January 29, 2017

LEADERSHIP 101 CORBYN STYLE

UK Labour is in a mess and the main reason for this is the abject failure of Jeremy Corbyn as their leader.    His Party has now plunged to just 24% in the polls with UKIP only 10 points adrift of them.     When asked who would make a better Prime Minister, May or Corbyn, just 15% chose to opt for Corbyn.

24% in a FPP environment would be catastrophic for Labour and  see them reduced to just a rump of seats.

How has it come to this?     One word ... Corbyn.    Foisted upon the Party by the left and hard left he is a leader who engenders little respect outside his ever adoring fan club of yesterdays men hankering back to the days of the class struggle and the reinstatement of Clause IV (if you don't know what that means ... look it up) and with no, repeat no, moral authority.    Just what are you to make of a man who imposes a three-line whip in requiring his MPs to vote for the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill when he himself has defied the Labour Whip 537 times over his three decades in Parliament.  

The result ... two members of his shadow cabinet have resigned (with more to follow) but even more bizarre is the fact that two of the Labour Whips (Jeff Smith and Thangam Debbonaire)  have said they will defy themselves and vote against the Bill

How has it come to this ... the answer is raw politics over principle.   It lies in the Stoke-On-Trent Central by-election due in just over four weeks.    Labour's majority at the last election was a relatively healthy 5,000 due in part to a popular local member now gone ... and then came Brexit.   The constituency recorded one of the largest majorities in the country for Brexit (69%).    Labour is predominantly pro-Europe (although Corbyn himself is luke-warm) but the Party can't be seen as anti-Brexit in the by-election so hence the three-line Whip.   But it you think that's bad, it gets worse. In the constituency the Labour Party has selected as their candidate a Party hack who has made no bones about calling Brexit and Brexitiers 's**t'.  Far be it for me to tender advice to Labour but I would have thought that describing 69% of your voters as crap is hardly guaranteed to endear them to you.

I repeat.   UK Labour is in a mess and Corbyn is responsible.    I am encouraged that Lord Egbut, one of his early backers, now appears to accept that his man has feet of clay.    Corbyn, in imposing the three-line Whip, has ensured the seeds for open rebellion have been well and truly sown.

My prediction is that Labour under Corbyn is finished.   There will be a fracturing of the Party and sooner rather than later.     Keep the name Dan Jarvis in mind.   You heard it first here.


20 comments:

paul scott said...

Thanks for these informations Vet :C lause four, I did look it up

1918 adoption ""To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service ""

Political control of the means and distribution of industry. Wow, now thats an idea. The liberals and other soft eggs would go for that.

Angry Tory said...

Na, it's worse than that. Corbyn is personally Eurosceptic and has been for decades.
The Cameroonians and Blairites & Scotts are completely fucked off with Corbyn because he did such a shit job campaigning for Remain - now his 3-line whip is in line with his principles, whereas his lukewarm remain support was fake.

Corbyn of course was also pro-USSR, pro-GDR, pro-Palestine...

Anonymous said...

As I mentioned in a previous post, it is Brexit and it's divisiveness that is fuelling attitudes and voting patterns now. Corbyn is fighting a war on two fronts, never a good idea, and the countries mood is shifting away from Brexit.

The unions, Labours biggest donors, have said that Brexit will cause economic hardship to the working population and force wages down in order to compete in the new WTO world so he is between a rock and a hardplace with most of his Northern MP's backing Brexit terrified of losing their seats. Tory MP's face the same quandary.

Stoke will be interesting and set a benchmark for future bye elections and it all depends on the LibDem vote who are campaigning as a remain party. If it goes up by more than 30% then the main parties have a problem, if they win the seat then a reality check will set in and a second referendum will be on the cards.

Theresa May has done the Tories no favours by holding hands with Trump, the country is hugely embarrassed by her endorsement of the orange one. Her visit to the next dictator in Turkey reminded me of Chamberlain, waving a piece of paper saying "trade deals in our time". Except there was no paper and no £100 mill jet fighter deal just words........Turkey is a part of the EU customs union and if Britain leaves there will be no deal.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Veteran....Corbyn is basically a good man with priorities in the right order and he is being castigated For talking to Hamas before it was popular, talking to the IRA before it was politically fashionable. Being seen talking does not mean agreeing. He doesn't follow the herd or the feeling of he day which in a way makes him a little like Trump with his country first, the difference is he means it.

I think both May and Corbyn will be casualties of Brexit, a quick email roundup shows that my acquaintances across the board, particularly the women thought that Mays performance in Washington was cringe worthy.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Keep it up Egbut , the effects of exposure to to thunder flashes may one day wear off.
Corbin might " basically be a good man" but that's irrelevant.
What he's like as Labour Party leader is the only relevant matter! And clearly he's an abject failure.

EH of D

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The Fearless Forecaster is at it again. I seem to recall your acquaintances across the board thought the referendum result would be 'remain.'

You should review the method used to acquire acquaintances.

paul scott said...

scrambled egg

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... your defense of the indefensible is admirable but just how you rationalise the actions of a man in imposing a three-line Whip when he himself defied the Whip 537 times requires a certain gymnastic dexterity. As for the L-D's in Stoke-on-Trent Central by-election taking the seat and give me a break. The L-D's ain't a force up there and you know it. Last time round they came a very poor fifth with just 4.2% of the vote.

The real fight is between Labour and UKIP and UKIP starts with that 69% pro-Brexit advantage. The Tories should pull out and give UKIP a clear run in what was a safe Labour seat but they won't because they know that it's in their own interest for Labour to retain the seat so that Corbyn remains Leader. If Labour loses the seat Corbyn is dog tucker.

As for May in Washington and she did what she had to. I think the most significant statement to come out of her talks with President Trump was this from May ... "The days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over." In saying that she is mirroring, to a degree, Trump's 'Little America' view. This may or may not be a good thing but it certainly represents a paradigm shift in the global dynamic.

Anonymous said...

Failed leaders give me strength. UKIP ex-leader Niggle Fromage stood for parliament 4 or 5 times and was rejected, Paul Nuttal current leader is on his 4th attempt to be become an MP...... UKIP = ONE MP and he crossed the floor from the Tories.

UKIP is a anomaly and if it wasn't for the extreme right wing would cease to exist.

I said if the LIB DEM vote goes up by 30% then there will be a strategic rethink. There is no such thing as a failed leader only a leader with failed policies.

What May said is in direct contrast to Trumps actions in wanting to join Putin in an all out offensive on ISIS. Which should send another million Iraqi war refugees hot on the the heels of the Syrian refugees to safety in Europe.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

Just saw the post from Adolph troll, can't answer it as I am an inconvenient truth. I await the outrage from the killing of Muslims in a mosque in that hotbed of terrorism Canada.......the hate has started, radicalised drop outs and thugs from the lower socio-economic groups have been given carte blanche to hate and discriminate and hurt...we used to call them Browshirts.
Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut, you'd better wait until you find out why your Browshirts were screaming "Allahu Akbar.'

Anonymous said...

Stop pretending that you are a New Zealander...you are a ringer.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Stop reading alt right and Fox news sites Troll. The two gunmen,both who had Quebecois accents, one of Morrocan heritage, were local and "known" to the Police. Shorthand for crims. The report of "Allahu Akbar" could not be verified but it may have been shouted as a form of derision.

Usual story of indigenous radicalisation by right wing hate sites as opposed to Islamic hate sites. But you repeat so much shite you must be paid for it. Still got the photo of your house on screen saver....when do we get to see the lawnmower?

Lord Egbut Nobacon

David said...

Poor old Adolf, caught out by the facts again.

A WHITE university student is the sole suspect in a mass shooting at a Quebec City mosque in which six worshippers were killed.

Alexandre Bissonnette, a 27-year-old French-Canadian man, was arrested alongside Mohamed el Khadir on Sunday night after the shooting at the Islamic Cultural Centre.

Bissonnette was nabbed about 24km from the scene after reportedly calling police to say he was armed but ready to surrender.

Mohamed el Khadir, believed to be of Moroccan descent, is now considered a witness and not a suspect.


http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/police-arrest-two-men-over-quebec-city-mosque-terror-attack/news-story/1c146a64c77f88396a58305da808cee0

Alexandre Bissonnette, showing extreme vetting in action.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Poor david

Thinks there are no white Muslims in the world.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

Why don't you rush off and join one of those wimmin's marches?

You wouldn't even need to dress up.

David said...

Gotta feel sorry for Adolf Pantsdown.

QUEBEC — Alexandre Bissonnette was charged late Monday with six counts of first-degree murder and five counts of attempted murder using a restricted firearm for a shooting spree in a Quebec City Mosque that has shaken the community, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

(...)

Posts on his Facebook page show he “liked” Donald Trump, French Front National leader Marine Le Pen and Mathieu Bock-Cóté, a Quebec City columnist known for his pro-nationalist and anti-multicultural views.

(...)

A fellow university student however, who also knew Bissonnette from high school in Cap Rouge, said he had developed radical views.

“He was not necessarily overtly racist or Islamophobic, but he had borderline misogynist, Islamophobic viewpoints,” said Vincent Boissonneault, who studies International Studies at Université Laval.

“Unfortunately that’s become more or less acceptable these days.”


http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-mosque-shooting-suspect-to-appear-in-court-monday-afternoon

Extreme vetting at its finest.

Anonymous said...

Adolph troll what is your first language apart from stupid?

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... on topic. If the countries mood was shifting away from Brexit as you allege then Corbyn, in backing the Bill and enforcing a three-line whip, is even more stupid than I thought. Why would he do that if, as you would have it, he's backing the wrong horse which can only serve to undermine his leadership among his colleague MPs who are mostly anti Brexit.

The are only two possible answers (1) he's stupid and you're right and (2) he's not stupid and you're wrong.

The voters in Stoke-on-Trent Central will give you the answer in just over three weeks.

Anonymous said...

It;s not the winning or losing that tells the story, it;s the percentages.....wait out.

Lord Egbut