Sunday, November 13, 2016

WHAT IF

Clinton had won the election and since then there had been continuing protests on the streets by Trump supporters refusing to accept that 'their' man had lost ... how would the liberal effete media portray this?

Not sure they would be emboldened enough to repeat the line parroted by Michael Cullen ... 'We won, you lost, eat that'.

Probably something along the line of fascist rednecks refusing to accept the will of the people. 

Clearly street protests are all OK when the 'left' do it but you can guarantee the tone of media comment/reporting shifts 180 degrees when it's the other side involved.

Meanwhile the analysis continues.   Despite the assertion that Trump was an anathema to female voters Clinton scored less with them than Obama did in '08 and '12; only 51% of Union households voted Clinton c/w 41% for Trump; he won the white vote, the evangelical vote, rural America and small/medium town America in spades.   In short he rewrote both the electoral map and paradigm.

One thing stands out for me.   The Democrats moved left under the influence of Sanders.   Their message built around income redistribution and Washington knows best did not resonate with voters. An uncomfortable message for Labour and the Greens ... a message they will choose not to hear 



23 comments:

The Veteran said...

... and now the street protests have turned to riot in Portland, Oregon. The MSM are silent in their condemnation of this blaming it all on Trump ... perverted logic indeed.

Psycho Milt said...

Clearly street protests are all OK when the 'left' do it...

Who's "the left" here? The people out protesting are millennials who hate what the old people have dished out to them for a PotUS. I guess they haven't figured out how democracy works yet. Either way, there's no Politburo somewhere ordering agitators out onto the streets.

An uncomfortable message for Labour and the Greens ...

Not really. The US is well to the right of NZ - John Key's government would be regarded as unelectably left wing over there. Comparisons between the US and NZ political environments are tempting but counter-productive.

Andrei said...

Bullshit Milt - there were no riots when Obama got elected

And the "peace movement" has been MIA as Barack Obama has conducted illegal war after war in the ME and Africa

Where were they when Obama and Hillary destroyed Libya? A crime equivalent or bigger than the crusaders sacking of Constantinople but there is a collective yawn over this matter

Whinging Pom said...

"The people out protesting are millennials who hate what the old people have dished out to them for a PotUS."

Maybe on Neptune, but back here on Earth, these are organized protests. Project Veritas confirmed that a couple of weeks back when Democrat operatives were caught - in their own words - having organized activists going to Trump rallies for the purposes of disruption and intimidation.

"The US is well to the right of NZ"

Maybe on Uranus, but back here on Earth, a significant number of House and Senate Democrats are as red as beetroot. There are as many as 80 "Congressional Progressive Caucus" members in the House alone (aka Communist Party USA) and those that aren't just goosestep to the extreme left agenda anyway.

Anonymous said...

No they are not Veteran. They are blaming it on the election of Trump which is perfectly true. The man is unfit for office and if I were an American I would probably riot as well. Never forget that there is a huge Republican contingent who despise the man and may even be a part of the riot.

This now transcends politics. Excellent BBC coverage and interviews of republicans in the Rust/bible belt yesterday...they are not happy bunnies. This is how bad it is. All the election promises, the wall, jailing HC, banning Muslims, slapping a 45% tarrif on China good in order to get the US firms back to the US, getting rid of Obamacare etc.......all gone...all described as "campaign rhetoric". NO...they are lies.
I give him a year if that. The Republicans in the congress will have him hogtied and helpless and he will be impeached either by his past catching up with him or his ego overriding his ability.......so far he has had over 4000 lawsuits against him with more to come. He cant keep his little fingers off the tweet button and he is making a fool out of the office of president.

Andrie...just take your poison little pen and sod off. You and your dopey mates attempts to undermine western institutions by introducing the element of doubt will not work. Just shut the fuck up about illegal wars there is no point in anyone debating with you as you are paid to write this shit.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

Brexit referendum and the US election had one thing in common the middle and lower classes used it as a protest vote neither believing that they would actually win. They have been disenfranchised in quality of life jobs money etc and they see the political elite, the same old faces in a money go round with nothing concrete coming there way except promises.

Nothing wrong with properly controlled capitalism. nothing wrong with properly controlled communism either, it's when the masses see the money going to the top the squeezed middle classes start asking awkward questions. When the Minister of police sells her holiday home for 1.9 million the public are not thinking "Well done girl".

The protest vote is now a realty.

Lord Egbut with his second wind.

Anonymous said...

It just gets better and better...... New Trump on wall...."There could be some fencing," he said. "For certain areas I would [accept a fence], but certain areas, a wall is more appropriate. I’m very good at this, it’s called construction."

Peter Sellers would have had a riot playing this guy.

My sympathy to those caught up in the Earthquake and hope any casualties are minor.

Lord Egbut

Psycho Milt said...

Bullshit Milt - there were no riots when Obama got elected

Sure. A huge number of grumpy old White people were as outraged at a "Kenyan Muslim" becoming PotUS as these millennials are about an no-class loudmouth bigot getting the job, but old people don't do street demonstrations. Young people do. It's an age thing, not a left/right thing.

Where were they when Obama and Hillary destroyed Libya?

They were conflicted about the US helping EU countries enforce a no-fly zone to prevent Muammar Gaddafi murdering his own people? I guess they were - I certainly was. Again, Libya wasn't a left/right thing - if anything, leftists would have been more likely to support Gaddafi because some of them are suckers for dictators who talk about socialism.

Psycho Milt said...

Maybe on Neptune, but back here on Earth, these are organized protests. Project Veritas confirmed that a couple of weeks back when Democrat operatives were caught - in their own words - having organized activists going to Trump rallies for the purposes of disruption and intimidation.

Here on earth, agent provocateurs are indeed a thing. However, you can only disrupt an existing protest using them, no-one's yet come up with a mass protest consisting entirely of agent-provocateurs (except dictatorships like China, but those are protests the government wants to happen for its own purposes).

Maybe on Uranus, but back here on Earth, a significant number of House and Senate Democrats are as red as beetroot.

If you think about it real hard, you should be able to figure out how it is that a representative assembly can be generally a lot more right-wing than NZ's one but still have individual left-wing representatives in it.

Whinging Pom said...

"Sure. A huge number of grumpy old White people were as outraged at a "Kenyan Muslim" becoming PotUS"


You race pimping commie loon. Did the "grumpy old white people" start vandalizing cars, burning shopfronts and violently assaulting anyone who was considered non-supportive? You commies are so liberal and tolerant /sarc.


Tim, it is you who is the grumpy, bigoted, bearded & balding old white man. Get a grip for Christ's sake !!


Whinging Pom said...

"Peter Sellers would have had a riot playing this guy."

No, that would be the case if he was playing you. . . a sad fuckwit who has been fundamentally wrong about everything political from Brexit to the Trump victory.

Sod off and die you smug, pompous fool !

The Veteran said...

An example of the effete media. Wall to wall coverage of some no name producer whose claim to fame was his production trashing Trump who marched into Trump Tower filming himself demanding to see Trump and lambasting the President-elect when he was shown the door ... as if!!!!!!!!!!!1 Self opinionated scruffy jerk demonstrating the arrogance and contempt for middle America that helped Clinton lose the election.

Anonymous said...

I see reasoned debate is alive and well on this blog. The trouble with blogs is that you have no idea who you are talking to and it lets the crazies in with their twisted sense of logic..like whinging Pom. Now is he a successful businessman or a sad lonely loser? Is he a Russian blogger establishing an identity or a 16 year old American working out of his bedroom which appears likely given the level of debate and language used.

As I Said previously this now transcends party politics almost all of the protesters who are NOT all democrats have no problem with accepting a Republican administration, even Pence as President.........they just feel uncomfortable with a moon faced fool representing them. Veteran..... Michael Moore is scruffy and self opinionated but he is not a no name producer. Google up his acclaimed documentaries including Columbine.

Another thing as if you look at the syntax of the words, sentences and language used you will find that some of our esteemed contributors are more than one person....they do shift work at the St Petersburg factory.

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

He is a scruffy, self opinionated moon faced producer who shills for your friends on the demented left.

Anonymous said...

Is that it........?

Lord Egbut

paul scott said...

We know this. The Progressives, the left, MSM, and the Old World Order are not interested in democracy. Clinton is synonomous with evil starting from the Cocaine funding business in Arkansas onward.
As ordinary people take back the power, the elites are left bewildered and angry that we simply are old, stupid, racist, uneducated, simple and so on, and yet we will not follow what we are told to believe.
The idiot Press in New Zealand is complicit.
By this time next year, some of us here will be wilting when we see what happens to Nanny blue rinse.
First up will be the rebellion against Immigration from the other world to our WINZ offices.
Michael Whitehouse will be gone by lunchtime after the 2017 election if not before.

Second there is the trivial matter of replacing democracy with race based appointments.
The New Zealand Government has been progressing along a course of separatism and racial privilege apparently in the cynical exercise to remain in power.

Now, . . The fifth National Government does not represent New Zealanders.
It will fail and wilt at the 2017 Immigration and race privilege election and we must make it a massive fail.Next year we will see 15 to 20% votes for NZ First, and I expect that Mr.Peters will be deputy PM shortly after election.
We will force the resignation of Key in 2018, as he [ Key ] looks for cover at the UN or somewhere
There is no other way. There is no other way, and I think Don Brash agrees
After that democracy will resume.

Anonymous said...

There you go veteran, all summed up by an unknown blogger who doesn't believe a word he writes because informing and debating is not on the agenda. The whole purpose of this blogg initially was to extol the virtues of the National party at the expense of the labour party using technology to sway opinion.

Now it's happening to this blog on grand scale by people who have knowledge of our political personalities but no stake in the country. Encouraging distrust in our newspapers, judiciary, politicians and system of government is the name of the game.

And you wonder why Putin was over the moon with Brexit and the Russian "Parliament" stood and cheered at the news of Trumps win, they are not in the slightest bit interested in the Republicans...just Trump because it is divide and conquer.

Scotts post, has been written by someone other than our normal hero.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Everyone should read this from the "no name" producer, who incidently is counted in the worlds 100 most influential people, it was written well before the election and puts all the blame game nonsense we have heard so far into perspective.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Ciaron said...

This Michael Moore?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vkIYyDohN4

Anonymous said...

So, your point is........

The Veteran said...

Scott ... are the 'we' who are going to remove John Key from office in 2017 the same 'we' (you) advocating the non-judicial murder of Obama and Clinton and hanging them upside down in Washington Square (which, BTW, ain't in Washington) ... just wondering.

As for democracy and Winston First ... pay the $155k back you stole and then perhaps we'll talk.

As for Michael Moore ... an effete liberal incandescent with rage that Main Street America (the Deplorables) should be so crass as to reject out of hand all he believes in and stands for. Must be hard on the ego ... having to accept democracy in action.

Ciaron said...

To take everything Moore says with a ton of salt.

Anonymous said...

Veteran.....why are you talking to the troll...he's not real and if you had read Moore's article he gave a blow by blow reason why Trump would be elected, hardly incandescent with rage?

If Winston Peters was elected PM on the basis he promised free beer to the masses then I'm sure you would nod wisely and say it is democracy in action.....not.

Lord Egbut