Saturday, November 19, 2016

SORRY CAPTAIN, THEY LIVE IN A MUCH CHANGED WORLD.


News that the army convoy to bring relief to Kaikoura via Highway Seventy were halted at Culverden because it started raining would have caused a wry smile to have emerged on the face of my late father in law.

Captain Barnes was moving tanks in conditions not dissimilar in the Battle of Casino with the added complication of incoming ordnance from Herr Kesslerings ruthless Wehrmacht.
Can't quite imagine Bernie Freyberg and co getting a message from the tank transports, sorry we have pulled over, it has started to rain!!!

10 comments:

Noel said...

Ok so variables were prior earth quakes, unstable hillsides, heavy rain.
And you wonder why they stopped?

Anonymous said...

Agree with Noel - there were threats of further landslides, so why risk further loss of life on an urgent, but a non-life threatening mission. Similarly NH90 flights between North Canterbury and Christchurch were suspended on Thursday afternoon, not because they couldn't have flown if necessary, but the weather conditions increased risks so a reasoned decision was made to suspend operations temporarily. In war, such decisions are made under different parameters, and assessed risks are weighted accordingly.

MarcW

gravedodger said...

Of course none of the choppers could have had a mechanical and crashed.
Do either of you have any idea what you are talking about.
my earliest, memories include that whole road and it was really primitive then.
fi the Greenburn cutting had eighty something corners on its northward descent, some possibly needing a back up to get a longer vehicle around.
Bollocks there are far greater dangers facing the thousands in KK from sanitation and health issues than anything that might have confronted the convoy with coms and back up from each other and the resources off South Bay from the multi national ships, plus presumed leadership and command structures to assess dangers as they proceeded.

Their biggest hurdle was avoiding getting bogged or driving over the bank as happened on Banks Peninsula in snow around a decade ago, on the summit above Reynolds Valley when the marks in the snow gave a strong indication distraction was a primary suspect.

Gerald said...

Ahhh is armchair General Dodgefart calling out the convoy commander as been too cautious or heavens forbid a c..... in not reaching his objective.

Noel said...

Gerald anything is possible.
Dogger is a person who disparages Ta Moko by referring to it as "face scribble".

gravedodger said...

Think about it Gerry. When our military become involved in a humanitarian effort I would have considered it would be a training opportunity to plan and execute the exercise as an opportunity to consider what might be done to turn problems into success.

The unimogs are all terrain vehicles, battle grounds do not remain tar sealed freeways, so getting through with what were much needed supplies of fuel food and support personal were never going to be successful parked up by the Culverden golf clubhouse when the dangers were mud, water and getting bogged.

Gee they might have had to camp out and open emergency rations while some dopy benny fed her spawn contaminated food or an emergency response vehicle died up some damaged road from running out of fuel.

Then again I suppose if your Rimu desk won't start you just head out to a cafe for a latte and talk to some other moron on your iPhone from the next table.

Anonymous said...

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/top/318396/a-bumpy,-lumpy-ride-on-the-only-road-to-kaikoura

Gerald said...

Redirect criticism to the Geotech people.
http://www.stuff.catalyst.net.nz/the-press/news/86643933/Army-convoy-stuck-in-Kaikoura-as-inland-road-deemed-unsafe-due-to-landslips

Noel said...

Gerald that turns the wheel back to my original comment.
As Veteran would be quick to point out it's the Controller who runs the show not the convoy commander.

The Veteran said...

GD ... understand where you are coming from but, as Noel points out, the region is still under a state of civil defense emergency and its the Controller who gets to make the calls, not the convoy commander ... all part of the health & safety/risk adverse society we live in.

I fear we have bred out from our military the ability to turn a 'Nelson's eye' when the situation demanded it ... just like Ian Bradley did when commanding HMNZS Waikato ... facilitating the landing of a giant US Sea King helicopter running out of fuel on a far too small flight deck designed to accommodate the small WASP helicopter ... can't be done ... he did it.