Wednesday, October 12, 2016

AN INTERESTING QUESTION ... MY RESPONSE

I don't get to listen to Leighton Smith too often nowadays but I tuned into him for a hour yesterday while driving to Whangarei.    A major topic of conversation was the 'debate' and it was interesting the caller that took him (Leighton) to task calling him out as being 'pro Trump'.    Leighton's response was to deny that ... said instead that he was resolutely and utterly opposed to Clinton and all she stood for and that the only way to stop her wrecking more havoc was to cast a vote for Trump .... that, if you opposed Clinton, an abstention or a vote for a third Party was effectively a vote for Clinton.

I agree with his assessment of Clinton ... she is untrustworthy; she would have great difficultly lying straight in bed; she has more positions of free trade than the Kama Sutra; her tenure as Secretary of State was at best unspectacular defined by one word ... Benghazi; she was front and center (along with husband Bill) implicated in the Whitewater controversy which ultimately saw 15 other persons convicted of multiple crimes (with four subsequently pardoned by husband Bill); she is on the left wing of the Democrat Party; she is Washington establishment cozy with Wall Street ... the list goes on and on.  

So, with all that in mind, why would you not vote for Trump?     For me it's simple ... I don't believe Trump has the temperament to be Commander in Chief ... he's a flake and, IMHO, a slightly unhinged flake.   I don't want an unhinged flake with his finger on the nuclear button.

Unhinged vs bad and bad wins but I could never hold my nose and vote for her.



31 comments:

Andrei said...

" I don't want an unhinged flake with his finger on the nuclear button"
So instead you would prefer a sociopathic War Criminal access to the ultimate power to destroy civilization

The future looks bleak for us all

Redbaiter said...

A fantasy view allowed by the fact that you live in NZ Vet and are not so much affected as Americans, who have to make a choice.

I would vote for the devil if he was running against Hillary Clinton, and so would any sane American faced with that unpleasant choice.

If Trump wins he will be constrained by members of his own party, and therefore also the constitutional makeup of the American Republic.

Nothing will constrain Hillary Clinton who represents that corrupt media/ political class who got the US to this point.

That's left wing Republicans, Democrats and the mainstream media, the group that has conspired against ordinary Americans and the Constitutional Republic now for decades.

They must be stopped. At least Trump shows he has the guts to stand against that corrupt cabal, as he took the stick to Clinton during the debate like no one ever has in the past. The MSM have been so bad its as if everyone who once worked for Pravda back in the fifties has been transplanted into the US.

Jail is too good for that corrupt lying devious grasping bitch but that is where she belongs. Its long past time the Clintons and the Democrats were held accountable. There is a long list of charges the Clintons and other Democrat operatives should be facing, and I hope Trump makes it happen if he becomes POTUS.

Republicans have been craven cowards for far too long.

Andrei said...

Democrats. Republicans two sides of the same coin Redbaiter

The attraction of Donald Trump was that he isn't part of the ruling establishment - or pretended not to be

The Veteran said...

Red ... yes, I live in NZL (most of the time) but I travel extensively but no, you're wrong (yet again) as we in NZL, are affected by whoever wins the race, like it or not. But can I respectfully suggest that you don't understand the power of the Presidency. The President can essentially do what he/she likes, especially as regards foreign policy. The President is not required to consult Congress on matters of national importance (although it's a smart idea to do so) and the make-up of Congress is such that it's difficult for them to override a President's wishes.

I have made my position clear. It's a real worry the the best America can come up with as the choice for President is an unhinged flake vs someone morally compromised and totally beholden to vested interests.

Redbaiter said...

Trump is a blundering fool, an inept jerk, and he's a progressive too. I opposed him all the way, and I still oppose him. I view it as an historic tragedy that the one time the US had a real chance to restore the American Republic (Ted Cruz)it was wasted for the sake of this clown.

You are right when you say he pretended not to be part of the ruling establishment. Gullible Americans not politically aware but desperate for escape from the corrupt status quo fell for his schtick, and so here we are.

Its notable that Cruz, who would have really fixed things, is sidelined, while the choice now rests between two Democrats, one evil and the other a dupe.

I'm not a conspiracy freak but I wonder sometimes. There's stuff coming out in the Wiki leaks document dump that points to the Democrats always wanting Trump to be the Republican front runner.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Don't worry chaps. Hillary will drop dead on inauguration day and then you'll have some nonentity/nobody as president and everybody will go back to sleep.

The Veteran said...

Red ... hurts me to say so but I agree with your analysis in the post above. Cruz is not perfect but at least he's genuine and that's why he scared the bejesus out of the Republican establishment. His, albeit reluctant, support for Trump shows he can play the long game. 2020 and with Clinton in power (and right now some polls have her 10 points ahead of Trump) it could be a Republican landslide and Cruz the man to lead it.

Redbaiter said...

My comment at 11:05 was written in reply to Andre's of 10:51.

Vet, you never read the words in front of you. Is this why you get so many things wrong?

I say this-

"A fantasy view allowed by the fact that you live in NZ Vet and are not so much affected as Americans, who have to make a choice."

Which makes it clear I know NZers are affected, just not so much as Americans.

You then say this

" you're wrong (yet again) as we in NZL, are affected by whoever wins the race,"

Pfffttt..... You do this all the time. Usually I don't mention it but this time it is so starkly wrong I had to.

And you're still dancing on the head of a pin. Either put a metaphorical vote in for Trump or, as Leighton said, you're helping to elect Hillary.

So go ahead, stop punching the air, be a man and make the decision.

Psycho Milt said...

...he was resolutely and utterly opposed to Clinton and all she stood for...

I have to say that makes her sound a lot better than she actually is.

... her tenure as Secretary of State was at best unspectacular defined by one word ... Benghazi; she was front and center (along with husband Bill) implicated in the Whitewater controversy which ultimately saw 15 other persons convicted of multiple crimes (with four subsequently pardoned by husband Bill)

This stuff always prompts me to respond. The Republicans have spent a quarter of a century putting enormous amounts of time, effort and cash into digging up dirt on Hillary Clinton that will actually stick. The result of all that is that none of it stuck - they got nothing, they might as well have just flushed all that money (taxpayers' money, a lot of it) down the toilet and spent the years playing Solitaire.

For conservatives, this decades-long failed witch-hunt means "No smoke without fire," which ought to prompt ridicule from anyone hearing it - "So, you spent decades making accusations and carrying out investigations, didn't find anything, but now you want to claim the decades of accusations and investigations mean she must have been up to something? That's some chutzpah you've got there, pal!"

Fortunately for conservatives, they don't get laughed out of the room because Hillary Clinton isn't a very sympathetic character. However, given that the last Republican president was George W. Bush, you guys don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticising Democratic presidential candidates. I was about to write that you'd have to go back a long way to find a Republican candidate as terrible as Bush, but then I remembered - this year's candidate is Donald J. Trump...

Redbaiter said...

Glad you're a Cruz fan anyway Vet :)

The Veteran said...

Red ... fair point but the thrust of my post was to point out the power of the Presidency. As for your call for me to 'get off the can' ... why would I vote for a man who you describe as a 'blundering fool, an inept jerk and a progressive' to which I would add 'unhinged flake'?

However much I despise HRC I'm not into blundering fools, inept jerks and progressives let alone unhinged flakes. That prevents me from holding my nose.

Redbaiter said...

Milt.

Hillary survived conviction because of the corrupt status quo.

Trey Gowdy and other newcomers will fix her wagon if Trump becomes president.

BTW, the Bushes are all voting for Hillary.

The Veteran said...

Milt ... if Whitewater was nothing how come 15 persons, good and true (to the Clintons) were convicted of multiple offenses linked to the case including ....

* Jim Tucker, Clinton's Democrat successor as Governor, removed from office, 3 counts of fraud
* John Haley, Guy's attorney, tax evasion
* William Marks Snr, Tucker's business partner, conspiracy
* Stephen Smith, Clinton aide, conspiracy to misapply funds, pardoned by President Clinton
* Webster Hubbell, prominent Clinton supporter, embezzlement, fraud
* Jim McDougall, prominent Clinton supporter, 18 felonies
* Susan McDougall, prominent Clinton supporter and friend, refused to testify under oath regarding the Clinton involvement, multiple frauds, pardoned by President Clinton
* David Hale, Cinton supporter, conspiracy, fraud
* Neil Ainley, embezzaled funds for Clinton campaign
* Chris Wade, Whitewater real estate developer, multiple loan fraud, pardoned by President Clinton
* Larry Kuca, real estate agent, multiple loan fraud
* Robert Palmer, real estate appraiser, conspiracy, pardoned by President Clinton
* John Latham, bank fraud
* Egene Fitzhugh, Whitewater defendant, multiple counts of bribery
* Charles Matthews, Whitewater defendant, bribery

By their 'friends' you shall know them.

Psycho Milt said...

Why were some rich Americans convicted of fraud and tax evasion? The question is why aren't more of them convicted of fraud? Most of them are up to something. In this case, they were convicted because the Republicans' obsessive-compulsive disorder that requires them to investigate Hillary Clinton meant these guys were collateral damage. If NZ were to spend decades and shitloads of cash investigating John Key and all his associates, I don't doubt there'd be a significant number of fraud and tax evasion convictions come out of that too, but most likely Key wouldn't be among them.

The Veteran said...

PM ... nice smear not. Fact remains ... in my opinion Clinton is not a fit and proper person to be POTUS. If the Republican's had the whit to put up an electable candidate then that person would be ten % points in front of her and not the other way round.

The Veteran said...

PM ... sorry, I should have said nice attempted smear not. Your lot attempted that with the then Labour Party President undertaking a trip to Melbourne to try and dig up dirt on Key (the H-Fee non story).

Whitewater was not a non story. People lost their office, went to jail, committed suicide and closed around Clinton evidenced when Susan McDougall refused to answer questions under oath about the Clinton involvement in the rip-off (in her book she writes 'I feared being accused of perjury if I told the Grand Jury the truth") and all the while the taxpayer took a hit estimated at a cool $60m.

Paulus said...

Vet

I agree with you - ABC (Anybody but Clinton).

Poor America - is this the best you can do.

Psycho Milt said...

Your lot attempted that with the then Labour Party President undertaking a trip to Melbourne to try and dig up dirt on Key...

Indeed. Now suppose they had a huge amount of money available, official investigative bodies at their beck and call, and they put 25 years into trying to dig up dirt on John Key, including investigating all his business associates, ever, and putting all the accusations into the media. At the end of the process, Key probably would have a pretty low popularity rating.

The Veteran said...

PM ... your supposition based on nothing. Problem is that you are trying (unsuccessfully) to equate Key's business dealings with that of the Clinton's in order to smear him. Doesn't wash.

I don't subscribe to the proposition that 'Left' = bad and 'right' = good. My Dad was MJS Labour to the core as were many of his Palmerston North family (what is it with the water there?). But in this case the candidate of the left is bad, really bad, and the one on the right a slightly unhinged flake.

I didn't pick you as an apologist for things bad and I'm certainly not an apologist for unhinged flakes.

Anonymous said...

Psycho war criminal?...I did not realise Putin was in the presidential race Andrei.

The raison d'etre of you and your fellow bloggers is to steer the spotlight away from the criminal actions of the Russian Federation and lay it on the US shenanigans which in the great scheme of things are just froth and will be forgotten about in a few months.

Another dislikeable person in the guise of Boris Johnson has encouraged people to protest outside the Russian Embassy in London, for once I agree with him. The French have called for Russian war crimes to be investigated.. bu will anything happen apart from Putin saying "Not us Guv"?

Lord Egbut

Psycho Milt said...

I didn't pick you as an apologist for things bad...

I'm not one. I'm just pointing out that Republicans have spent decades trying to find something bad about Hillary Clinton and have come up with a total of 0. As far as I'm concerned that's a pretty good clean bill of health for a politician.

Anonymous said...

No Mr Milt. You haven't got it yet..Democrats = Labour. Labour bad even when good. So predictable ..sigh.

Lord Egbut

David said...

Worried of Tauranga cries in to his chai latte bowl while declaiming :

That's left wing Republicans, Democrats and the mainstream media, the group that has conspired against ordinary Americans and the Constitutional Republic now for decades.

They must be stopped. At least Trump shows he has the guts to stand against that corrupt cabal, as he took the stick to Clinton during the debate like no one ever has in the past. The MSM have been so bad its as if everyone who once worked for Pravda back in the fifties has been transplanted into the US.


Trumplethinskin is the one who is shitting on the conrep.

Trumplethinskin is the one who is urging the Russians to hack American computers.

And Trumplthinskin is the one who has been caught out taking his talking points from Pravda.

And the trumpanzees cheer him on.

During his speech, Trump held up a piece of paper. "This just came out a little while ago. I have to tell you this," Trump said as he read from the page, which he identified as an email from Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal.

(...)

For Newsweek reporter Kurt Eichenwald, the words Trump read sounded familiar. It turns out they were taken from an article he wrote, which Blumenthal had included in an email. So they were not Blumenthal's words, but Eichenwald's.

The misconstrued "email" that Trump was reading had appeared in an article on a Russia-funded website called Sputnik, which has since taken it down.


Trump has sought donations from outside the US to fund his campaign - illegal under US law.

Trump has sought the aid of a foreign power to interfere in US elections. Treason?

Trump thinks that as POTUS he can do as he likes, showing him for exactly what he is - a dangerous fascist power hungry anti-freedom bigoted Fuhrer!

David said...

And Trump is also a very special kind of racist - a rich, thuggish racist who can never accept he was wrong, is immune to facts and can only think that black people are always guilty of something.

In 1989 five black teenagers were convicted of raping a woman in Central Park, becoming known as "The Central Park Five". They were beaten and bullied by police in to confessing.

Trump placed this ad in 4 New York Newspapers.

I don't, but others may argue that was a good response to a heinous crime.

In 2002, a new investigation revealed that serial rapist and convicted murderer Matias Reyes had actually committed the crime.

He confessed he had acted alone. DNA evidence confirmed his account.

Immune to facts, unaware of the concept of wrongful conviction and incapable of empathy, Trump STILL declares their guilt, because in Trumptasia, only The Donald Knows.


"The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same."

Say what you like about Hillary Clinton, and there is much to dislike about her candidacy, she is no where near as despicable a piece of shit as Trmplethinskin and his Trumpanzees.

Anonymous said...

What is this picture that gets painted about the "button"? It sounds like something Trump could lean on by accident and end civilisation whereas I suspect actually pushing the thing would be part of a bunch of debate and cross checks to ensure the US doesn't have to apologise for mistakenly killing a few hundred million because an idiot pressed it before getting an answer to, "What does this do?".

I think Clinton is appalling but I've always suspect Trump was a plant - time will tell. Voting in the US this time is the very devil's choice.

3:16

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... your analysis of US politics is a tad superficial. It is too easy to equate Democrats with Socialists and Republicans with Conservatives. Both parties are broad church to an extent and both have an eclectic mix of advocates. I have met some good ole Dixicrat Democrats who make many Republicans look like pussys. I have met liberal Republicans who are Democrats in all but name.

It's relatively seldom that you see the UK equivalent of the three line whip in the Congress (House and Senate). What you tend to get is accommodations made based on a wide range of imperatives with many of them reflecting parochial interests.

Clinton has clearly moved to the left in order to counter the Bernie S phenomenon but she can't shake off the Washington insider tag. Trump is scratching that itch but, if truth were known, he could just as easily do that from within his old (Democrat) Party because one thing Trump ain't ... he ain't a conservative in the classic or even modern sense.

The Veteran said...

3:16 ... there are no formal cross-checks on the ability of the President to press the nuclear button. There would be debate by his 'kitchen cabinet' and perhaps wider but the final decision is for the President and the President alone.

Section 4 of the 25th Amendment provides a pathway for the President's removal from office if he/she went rogue (mad). It requires a declaration by the Vice-President and a majority of the Cabinet. The President can contest that declaration in which case the matter is referred to the Congress which must meet with two days to determine it ... by which time the 'button' could be well and truly pressed.

This provision has never been tested ... one would hope it never will be (but with Trump, anything is possible).

Redbaiter said...

Milt's claims that Hillary Clinton has never done anything criminal are the usual insane denial of reality that underpins all left wing thought.

David said...

Crying in to his quinoa and cranberry with almond milk porridge, Worried of Tauranga turned to well known left of truth MSM outlet Fox. What an absolute JOKE!

Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice’s staff, Karl Rove & Alberto Gonzales all did she same, or similar, to Clinto but I never heard worried or any on the right screaming about their criminality.

The Bush Whitehouse deleted millions of emails from <b>private</b> servers and all we heard were crickets.

The Veteran said...

So David ... you would have it that Clinton is a fit and proper person to be POTUS?

If you are then clearly your measure of a persons fitness for public office is so low as to be subterranean.

I have no doubt that HST (my hero) would spew at the thought of her as the standard bearer for his Party.

David said...

Vet, the problem is that the ONLY choice is between Clinton and Trump.

may I remind you of my post here a few days ago:

David said...
The really sad thing is that America deserves much better than Clinton or Trump.

There, fixed it for you.

October 9, 2016 at 11:40 AM


The reality is that the US system has been corrupted by cash and venality. Had Obama not provided the interregnum the US president list would have been:

Bush
Clinton
Clinton
Bush
Bush
Clinton
Clinton and then, this election, quite possibly

Bush
Bush

by which time Chelsea Clinton would be eligible and trained up to take over again.

Thankfully, I am not a Seppo, but if I were, yes, I would be voting Clinton because the alternative is too dystopian.

Is she fit for office? Its too bloody late for anyone to be asking that question.