Sunday, September 4, 2016


The move to consign the UK Labour Party as we know it to the dustbin of history appears to be gathering pace.    The latest poll conducted by ICM for the Guardian (hardly a bastion of Tory support) has the Conservatives climbing to 41% with Labour dropping to just 27%, a 2% decrease over the previous poll result and their lowest poll result ever.

UKIP is steady on 13% while the Lib Dems climb a couple of points to 9%.     Meanwhile in Scotland the Conservatives have cemented in their position as the official opposition party to the SNP with Labour dropping to just 15% support.

And all the while the nice Mr Corbyn appearing to be making the leadership race between him and Owen Smith a no contest.   The latest poll (of Labour Party members) show him with a 24 point lead over Smith.    The same poll show that 39% think it likely Labour will split in the event of the Corbyn victory.

Mr Corbyn enjoys my unqualified support.

An indication of just how nasty the race has become and Ruth Smeeth, the Labour MP for Stoke-on-Trent who happens to be Jewish, is receiving special police protection after clashing with Marc Wadsworth, a Momentum (Corbyn) activist, at the release of the report into antisemitism within the Labour Party.   On 27 June Smeeth had resigned her position as Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Northern Ireland and Scottish teams along with many others in protest against Corbyns (lack of) leadership.   Two days later she clashed with Wadsworth.   Since then she has reportedly received more than 25,000 abuse messages from Corbyn supporters after accusing him of not doing enough to counter antisemitism in the Party.   This little pearler  reflects the tone of those messages .... "Ruth Smeeth is British and from my perspective, since treason is still a capital offense in Britain, the gallows would be a fine and fitting place for the Dyke piece of Yid s**t to hang from".

Nice one Corbyn supporter Not.

p.s.   I guess Michael Smeeth, Ruth Smeeth's husband of 14 years standing, was fascinated to learn his wife was Dyke.


Psycho Milt said...

"Woman receives abuse from anonymous internet trolls" isn't exactly an unusual story these days.

The Veteran said...

PM ... the message, by any measure, was grossly offensive (if not criminal). In context it shows how fractured UK Labour has become. Whether you consider it 'usual' depends on how low you think politics can go.

You're not defending it are you?

Chaz said...

"PM ... the message, by any measure, was grossly offensive"

Not by the measure of Trump, Bannon and your alt-right pals. Pretty tame by those standards. You need to get out more.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


Your friends from the left make Trump and Co look like choir boys.

BTW, please provide a reliable quote to support your false
criticism of Trump. Are you waking up to the fact he may well win in November?

Psycho Milt said...

I don't defend anonymous trolls abusing anybody, ever. My point is that women in public life get a lot of this kind of thing from misogynists and this is hardly an unusual example of it. If you want to claim it reflects somehow on the UK Labour Party you'll need some evidence for it. The thing about anonymous trolls is that they're anonymous.

The Veteran said...

Chaz ... you define yourself by your comment. The comment was beyond the pail which ever way you want to look at it. I am no friend of Trump and morons on the hard right and hard left of the political spectrum leave me cold ... they are in fact joined at the hip in their intolerance and nastiness.

PM ... not so sure about the anonymous bit. The Met Counter-terrorism Unit is investigating the post and have said they are following two leads. Would have thought that with their access to technology including perhaps access to the GCHQ MTI programme (my supposition) the so called 'anonymous troll' might not remain anonymous for too much longer. As for the linkage with Labour ... well, I hardly think the 25,000 messages of abuse she received after criticizing Corbyn were from Tory supporters.

Chaz said...

"please provide a reliable quote to support your false criticism of Trump"

Oh dear, Adolf has fallen in love and is about to have his heart broken again.

On Megyn Kelly: "She had blood coming out of her wherever"

On Mexicans: "They're rapists"

On a Federal judge from Indiana: "He's biased because he's Mexican"

Being a philosopher: "You know it doesn't really matter what the media write as long as you have a young and beautiful piece of ass"

On his own daughter: "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her."

To a woman breast-feeding: “You’re disgusting.”

Then there's his tweet of Cruz's wife comparing her unfavourable to the latest immigrant he's married to, not to mention the one with the Star of David and the pile of cash. Plenty more where that came from. Yep, I can see why you like him Adolf, he's a charming, erudite version of you.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


His alleged comment on Megan Kelly is not accurate.

His comment about the judge was factually correct. Ever heard of Sotomeyer?

He compliments hos daughter and that's an insult?

But your good friends of the left can wish to kill the British PM and that's fine by you.

Go away.

The Veteran said...

Chaz ... all those comments are over the top but none comes close to what was said my 'your' leftie mate (or mateesse ... new word) about Smeeth.

Methinks you protestith too much.

Chaz said...

"His alleged comment on Megan Kelly is not accurate."

Yes it is, look it up.

"His comment about the judge was factually correct."

No it wasn't, look it up. The judge has cut the old con man heaps of slack.

"He compliments hos (sic) daughter and that's an insult?

Yeah, nah. He treated his own daughter as a someone he wants to bang. Bit creepy for normal people. Not you though apparently.

Anonymous said...

Trawled the UK broadsheets this morning and this little gem is not mentioned. But big news in the Sth Pacific apparently. If you want to read really cringeworthy insults from right to left and viccy verca try the Daily Mail and Sun Comments.

Like the rest of the world I'm still trying to work out May's Brexit strategy. I think it called "Brexiting without Brexit" It will cost her the next election.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Heh, The left side of politics have been found to be saying unsavoury things about people, and the response is to say the right side do it as well, so that makes it all right apparently, because it's 'justified'.

kids, schools, and 'he hit me first' come to mind.

B Whitehead

Chaz said...

Nope B, just pointing out that the Republican presidential candidate and his senior advisors (Bannon, Lewandowski etc) are prone to being racist, misogynist, violent, anti-semitic and utterly unpleasant, so ignoring them and pointing out some insulting comments when some nobodies on the left apparently make them makes you look like a tool.

The Veteran said...

Chaz ... you defend the indefensible and you think my pointing it out makes me look a fool ... more fool you then.

Egbut ... well my reading of the UK media (albeit yesterday) and the 'little gem' (as you so quaintly put it) was front, left and centre. Read the o'seas media and it went viral. I hope you're not saying it was a matter of little or no consequence ... and some wonder why Labour's poll numbers are sinking faster than the Titanic.

But, as I said, Corbyn enjoys my full support and also that of the sole UK MP/MEP (among all parliamentarians) who rated him as doing a good job ... problem for Corbyn is that it was a Tory MP who cast his vote for him on the basis that he (Corbyn) was the best thing the Tories had going for them ... chuckle2

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... May's Brexit strategy appears to be along the lines of 'the people voted for it' and sobeit ... but recognising that the pro Brexit camp didn't have a coherent plan in place setting out an exit negotiating strategy and that a pause was necessary in order to determine a way forward ... hardly surprising ... May was pro the EU.

Even your nice Mr Corbyn recognises there is no turning back/no second chance. Something along the lines of 'the people are right even when they're wrong'.

Anonymous said...

When the Japanese and US Governments tell may she will be totally rogered if she triggers article 50 then the strategy is to keep talking about it, give the illusion of negotiation and progress but do nothing.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Psycho Milt said...

well, I hardly think the 25,000 messages of abuse she received after criticizing Corbyn were from Tory supporters.

You've cited one message of abuse, said abuse being directed at a Jew complaining of anti-Semitism. Are you trying to tell me there are no right-wing homophobic anti-Semites out there? Fact is that trolls will be trolls and you know nothing about this particular one's political opinions.

The Veteran said...

PM ... of course there are right wing antisemitic nutters out there but I think you are drawing a long bow to suggest that one of them was the sender. Wouldn't have thought a Labour MP attacking her leader rated high on their list of priorities.

Or are you suggesting the reported 25,000 messages of abuse she received are a figment of her imagination too? Clearly the Police don't think so.

Like Chaz ... methinks you protestith too much.

Psycho Milt said...

I'm suggesting:
1. Anti-semitic abuse isn't a singularly left-wing phenomenon and a Jewish MP making a fuss about anti-Semitism will get abuse from anti-Semites of whatever political persuasion.
2. This particular abuse says no more about Corbyn than the outpouring of vile abuse on Kiwiblog comments threads day after day says about John Key.
3. If you want to argue the left's trolls are worse than the right's, Google "Jo Cox."

The Veteran said...

PM ... all I am saying is that the Corbyn led Labour Party is in a state of meltdown with his supporters prepared to play down and dirty whenever his leadership is questioned. A person can be defined by his/her supporters and Corbyn is no exception to that rule.

Psycho Milt said...

Well, you're saying that, and I'm saying that a Jewish woman claiming anti-Semitism tends to attract a particularly disgusting flavour of internet troll and there's nothing inherently unusual about this instance of it. In Ruth Smeeth's case, there will also be a lot of messages from Labour members angry about her attacks on her own party and its leader, but how many of the abusive trolls are Labour members is anybody's guess.

Still, good to know John Key is defined by the abusive fuckwits commenting on Kiwiblog. And that Farage, Gove and Johnson are defined by Jo Cox's murderer.

The Veteran said...

C'mon PM ... admit it. You're upset to see the left in the UK trashing itself and I would be too if I were one of them but I'm not and, I repeat, the nice Mr Corbyn enjoys my full support as he steers the good (wrong word) ship Labour full steam ahead onto the electoral rocks using a chart that was found out of date and wanting when Michael Foote tried to navigate from it.

Psycho Milt said...

Yes, I'm upset to see a Labour Party yet again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by mounting a pointless and stupid leadership coup, in this case right when the Tories were at their most vulnerable in a long time. It's a relatively minor annoyance to me, but a lot of UK Labour supporters are furious at the coup plotters, and no wonder. That doesn't alter the fact that trolls will be trolls.

Anonymous said...

Psycho........It's a part of the democratic process. The Tories went through this when Thatcher was "removed". The electorate will decide in the end. At the moment the Labour party is more transparent than than the Tories whose infighting over Brexit has been well hidden.

Lord Egbut

The Veteran said...

PM ... not sure which planet you're on right now but arguing that Labour was on the cusp of victory is, IMHO, just a tad over the top.

Psycho Milt said...

Not an electoral victory, a tactical one. The rebel MPs turned it into a tactical defeat.

The Veteran said...

Sorry PM ... I'm still confused. Did you mean the Corbyn campaign for 'Remain' which most independent commentators said was tepid at best (noting he had voted for Brexit at the time of the last referendum) or something else?

I mean it can't have been the GE result which left Labour reeling.

Many more tactical victory/defeats and it will surely be a case of last one to leave please turn the lights out.

Psycho Milt said...

Maybe you've forgotten the state of disarray the Tories were in after the Brexit result, or are pretending it didn't happen. Egbut describes it as "well hidden" and maybe it is now, but in the days immediately following the referendum it wasn't hidden at all and was an opportunity for Labour - one that was deliberately rejected by some of its MPs so they could pursue a pointless vendetta instead.

The Veteran said...

PM ... so 'Labour Out' was just a figment of the imagination then as was the 'joke' doing the rounds among Labour MPs that Corbyn was showing indications of switching camps to Remain.