Thursday, September 8, 2016

Never Fly Wog Airlines

Had to laugh at the headline this morning.

AirAsia flight to Malaysia landed in Melbourne by mistake



It looked terrible until you realised the flight originated in Sydney and was diverted to Melbourne by air traffic control due to the plane's navigation system having shat itself.

(Paywall)
The captain of an AirAsia X flight to Kuala Lumpur on March 10, 2015, inadvertently entered the wrong longitudinal position of the aircraft before takeoff, causing the on-board navigation system to go into a spin while in the air.

And why did it shit itself/  I hear you ask?  Because the dumbarse pilot fed incorrect navigation co-ordinates into the system before take off.

But here's the killer sentence:-

"The ATSB also found that the aircraft was not fitted with an upgraded flight management system that would have prevented the data entry error."

14 comments:

Gerald said...
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Noel said...

Forget the media beat up got to the source.

Http:://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5771318/ao-2015-029_final.pdf

The Veteran said...

You have to smile at this extract from the report .... "AirAsia X would like to stress that we have in place robust management systems to monitor and prevent similar incidents from reoccurring".

Are they saying the didn't before the incident?

One final point ... in my experience as a pilot (admittedly only to CPL standard) and it's normally the co-pilot who does the walk round leaving the ac captain to programme the flight instruments. Whatever, the mistake should have been picked up on the cross-checks.

Anonymous said...

"AirAsia X would like to stress that we have in place robust management systems to monitor and prevent similar incidents from reoccurring".

"Further, the aircraft was not fitted with an upgraded flight management system that "would have corrected such kinds of data entry errors."

Does now.!

The Veteran said...

Really low cost budget airlines and you get what you pay for and Air Asia and Tiger are very much in that category.

Anonymous said...

Also your claim "Never fly Wog Airlines"

In Australia, the term 'wog' refers to residents of Southern European, Eastern European, and Middle Eastern ethnicity or appearance.

I cannot locate Air Asia's offices in Egypt.

The Veteran said...

WoG ... I always thought it stood for 'Worthy' or sometimes 'Westernised' Oriental Gentleman. The 'Spotted Dog' aka The Selangor Club in KL was reputed to have once sported the sign 'Dogs and Asians not allowed' ... I never saw it though.

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The Veteran said...

Egbut ... ASI, AH, Altimeter and compass (two as a minimum) will be found on any aircraft ... and not just for emergency use. CRM (cockpit resource management) teachers you to go rely on the basic instruments in an emergency but, even then, things like pitot tubes can get blocked ... easy to check on smaller ac but no so easy on larger ac. You're right about experienced aircrew making mistakes ... 800 hours seems to be a critical number ... enough to think you know it all.

Sez me with 850 hours.

Anonymous said...

The mechanical AH has been phased out now and it;s a part of the "glass cockpit". My mate who flew Caribous in Africa for the UN relief Org. and now drives for Korean Air says that the new generation of pilots automatically rely on computer read outs and the computer always tells the truth.....yeah right. With fly by wire they have lost the "feel" of flying with no sensation of control surface pressure and when the shit hits the fan they turn to a computer "fix" and do not trust the "steam" cockpit gauges. (AF470)

The US Air safety people say glass cockpit aircraft are less likely to be involved in an accident but when they do it's usually fatal..........charming.

Adolph's "WOG's" are no different than many other overworked pilots and before he start's insulting pilots he should pause for thought and remember Erabus.


Lord Egbut

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... clearly then I'm a stone age pilot and if what you say about basic instrumentation is true (and I have no reason to doubt it) then that's a worry to me. I have piloted a 747 under the Auckland Harbour Bridge (almost) ... in a simulator but managed to splash it some distance out ... certainly that had 'steam' instrumentation which I tried to use but failed spectacularly.

Anonymous said...

Adolph seemed to find this post defamatory or upsetting so deleted it....perhaps we might carry this subject onto another post away from the dead hand of over enthusiastic censorship.
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Wiley Oriental Gentleman Veteran..... a derogatory term used by those who have not travelled or understand other cultures.

Experienced aircrew make mistakes, it's called pilot error, usually when the pilot is dead and can't defend himself. The modern computer flown aircraft is supposed to be foolproof but has actually caused avoidable crashes. The following mechanical instruments should be mandatory on the flight deck for emergency use...Air speed indicator, Artificial horizon, Altimeter and compass. The reliance on computer screens only is folly.

Sat in the cockpit jump seat of a Quantas 747 coming into Brisbane from Singers just as the Sun was coming up, an unforgettable experience..the first officer was one of us.......9Sqn.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Jeez adolph. you can dish it but you sure as shit can't take it. You just fucked up an interesting thread.
Mick

Gerald said...

"Censorship is the child of fear and the father of ignorance".