Friday, August 19, 2016

Friday's Fulminations

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David said...

Yesterday was the 50th anniversary of the "Battle of Long Tan". This is revered as the bloodiest battle for Australian troops in Vietnam and a bunch of whining ex soldiers are pissed off that the Vietnamese government prohibited them from returning to Long Tan and celebrating.

They seem to forget that Vietnam was no threat to Australia, that Australia, along with the US and its other sycophants, invaded Vietnam on a pretext so eerily close to the pretext Shrub used to start a war in Iraq. The lie about the "Tonkin Gulf Incident" was the same style of pretext as the "He's got WMD and he's gunna use them" lie.

Turkey is amazingly gracious in allowing hordes of Australians to descend on Gallipoli each year, Vietnam is under no obligation to follow suit.

As Cold Chisel sang in Khe San "There were no D-Day heroes in 1973" because the actions of the nations who illegally invaded and occupied Vietnam were in no way similar to the actions of those who overthrew the NAZIs.

I understand the pain and suffering that many Australian solders experienced both during and after their participation in the war on Vietnam and I feel for them, but we must understand that the effect on the Vietnamese is far greater. Generations are still being born deformed from the use of chemical and biological weapons.

So, to those whiners, go ahead and remember your mates, but please, please do not inflict any more pain on the Vietnamese by holding a party in their country.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

What a prick!

paul scott said...

Yes, I went up to see old Ho Chi Minh’s hideaway place where he lay around around like a revolutionary coward in Nakhon Phanom. In the 1930’s I think.
There were a bunch of dreamy old Vietnamese there bowing and genuflecting over the boy fucker’s revolutionary shrine.
After he got down to Saigon,he turned into Pol Pot 1, and started enslaving, torturing, and shooting his own people, for being Southerners.
I wanted to pull down his shrine up there in Nakhon Phanom, the Thais said it was ok, but the land had been virtually given to the Vietnamese.
He looked like a boy fucker, and he was a boy fucker, and a killer of his own people.

Burgers said...

I kind of agree with that fat gutted maggot David in that the Viets wouldn't want to see a celebration of a battle where the Vietcong and NVA got their arses kicked, but he's such a sickening pointy nosed old cunt I have to object to it !

Anonymous said...

Burgers.....such eloquence and reasoned argument is so rare on this blog, well done.

P Scott........He was working as a waiter in Paris around that time. You are quite the stupidest man I read on this blog. Makes Adolf Mensa quality.

David.....Perhaps you might like to list the chemical and biological weapons used by the mad bad you cant. But in all fairness your summation gets 8 out of ten. If these bizarre posts don't raise Veteran from his torpor then I fear for the future of this blog.

Lord Egbut

Noel said...

Sorry to be late with my contribution but landed back yesterday been one of the grateful 35 who were successful in the ballot.

When I was in Primary School Gallipoli was portrayed as some sort of great victory.
By the end of secondary school revisionists historians had change it to the" most ill conceived, poorly led and ultimate senseless campaign of the First World War".

Today neither of those ranking are the reasons we remember Gallipoli.

And so it is with Long Tan.

In August 1966 I had just completed another round of schooling this time at the School of Signals at Wairou.

When the accounts of the Battle of Long Tan reached my unit, probably 2nd or 3rd hand, the two items that stayed in my memory since was the realization that this wasn't an irregular group who worked in the fields during the day and recovered their weapons at night to fire off a few rounds.

The other was a claim that when returning to the battlefield the next day they found two memebers of 11 platoon back to back in the rubber with empty magazines.

Whilst this embellishment has never appeared in later histories it doesn't detract from the courage, bravery, kindship and ANZAC cooperation that occurred on that day in the face of overwhelming odds.

The same qualities that we remember on ANZAC Day.

It's unfortunate that the day was overshadowed by the perception that we were commerating simply a victory over D445 and the NVA Regiment.

Noel said...

gravedodger said...

Egg, typing slowly, V e t I s o n o r a b o u t t o r e t u r n f r o m a t r i p t o F I j I.

David said...

Eggie, Agent Orange qualifies as both a chemical and a biological weapon. It was used extensively in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. The ill effects are still apparent today.

Napalm is most definitely a bunch of chemicals concocted as a weapon.

Although, I will say I have always wondered why certain weapons are OK while others are not when the sole intent of any weapon is to kill as many as possible as quickly as possible. Why should a "bunker buster" bomb be OK, but mustard gas not?

Anonymous said...

Agent Orange does no such thing..the two components 24D and 245T are common sytemic broadleaf herbicides used by NZR and NZPO and every council and farmer in NZ up until the 90's.

None of the these components including the dioxin TCDD which was a trace contaminant are mutegenic or genotoxic so cannot be held responsible for birth defects. The discovery of DNA did for the Nth Vietnamese propaganda machine but lazy Davids still trot out the ancient remind me again David what shape is the earth.

Dodger...Veteran never sleeps or goes on holiday...he watches and he answered your post from Fiji..... unlike Adolph who believe that the internet stops at the 12 mile limit.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


Thank you for calling out our resident leftie clot.

However, if you can't resist insults, please learn to speak English.

Noel said...

Before the US began applying defoliants on behalf of the South Vietnamese government the legal beagles had determined the military specific formulations, modified from civilian products were not weapons of war.

Gerald said...

To claim military specification were no different to civilian products is to understate the so called “Rainbow agents.”
Agent Orange was an oil soluble formulation with the only civilian comparison a paint on herbicide.
It's application rate was so high in comparison to civilian alternatives that this became the reason in 1967 for the Government to invoke the war powers provision .
Agent White contained more picloram than any comparable civilian product and was coupled with high concentrations of 24D.
Agent Blue on the other hand contained less arsenate than civilian products but toxicity was compounded by the addition of DMSO.
The same DMSO used in Australian formulations that the authorities when been made aware of side effects amongst Australian soldiers blamed it on their lack of hygiene practices.
The same side effects reported by the NVA prisoners which were discounted as propaganda by the investigators.
Ironically the USDA had promoted its use with Agent Orange been unaware that it was not a water soluble product.
Whilst one may argue that science to day would suggest no long term consequences of their use . one cannot dismiss the short term discomfort at the time of application

Anonymous said...


Lord Egbut

Gerald said...

Gee you are uneducated on this subject.