Sunday, July 31, 2016


Donald Trump certainly likes to hand it out.   He rubbished Admiral John McCain, decorated with the Silver Star and the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Republican Party standard bearer in the 2008 Presidential Election as 'no war hero ... he was captured and I don't like people who were captured'.

 Now he has hit out against retired US Marine Corps 4 Star General John Allan, the Commander of  ISAF in Afghanistan and who had the temerity to speak out against him at the Democratic Party Convention, and label him as a 'Failed General'

Allan blasted Trump's support for waterboarding and said that the military should never become an instrument for torture nor should it engage in murder or other illegal activities.    Hardly earth shattering stuff and reflecting that laid down in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which is the foundation document of military law for the United States.

So perhaps he should examine Trump's own military record ... or lack thereof.
Back in July 1964 at the start of the Vietnam War he got a 2S (Student) deferment classification extended again in December 1965.  On 22 November 1966 he was reclassified IA ... available for unrestricted military service.   Took Trump less than a month (19 December) to get that changed back again to 2S which was extended again on 16 January 1968.   Six months later on 9 July he was again reclassified as 1A.   On 15 October that year Trump got himself reclassified as 1Y ... exempted from service except except in the case of war or national emergency because of medical problems.   On 1 February 1972  Trump was finally classified 4F ... not acceptable for military service determined by a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) 'under the established physical, mental or moral standards'.

It is widely reported that Trump got his medical determent on the basis of a letter from his doctor testifying that had had 'bone spurs' in his feet.

Trump was never drafted.   He was the recipient of a series of student deferments and, when he was finally classified IA, he sought and obtained a medical exemption.    Was he a draft dodger ... you will make up your own mind.    What we can say is that his propensity to dump on those who have served with distinction but who may not share his politics is at best unfortunate and, to my mind at least, calls into question his qualifications to be Commander in Chief.


paul scott said...

Yes , hard to see why attacking any Military people, is good. Also the Never be taken prisoner idea. Very heavy. Hate to do a Godwin, but didn't Stalin intimidate the hell out of soldiers with this idea. Even their families could be shamed. It was a very Russian thing. Join the forces, go to war, goodbye family and friends, thanks Emperor.

Noel said...

Jan 21 1977

David said...

Not just Trump, Shrub did the same, joining the Texas Air National Guard to avoid Vietnam.

But Trump is worse than you know, thinking that The Geneva Conventions need to be scrapped. that's right, the potential Commander in Chief wants to destroy the protections afforded to his military.

He thinks that the US should pull out of NATO, stating that America is owed much more from its allies than it receives. To Trump, NATO is a protection racket and he's the mob's enforcer.

Trump has refused to disclose his tax returns, despite previously saying he would. He is refusing now because to do so would reveal the depths of his dealings with Russian oligarchs and criminals.

Paulus said...

What is Hillary Clinton's draft record.

Surely she shafted many people so that's her draughty record.
Her history is covered in "unpleasant" personal activities over many years.

Wouldn't trust her one iota.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...


The phone rang at 3.00 a.m. but she just grunted and went back to sleep.

The call was from Benghazi.

That's Clinton's 'draft' record.

Redbaiter said...

The Clintons are good friends of the Keys. Therefore don't expect any objectivity from the Vet.

Shelldrake said...

An absolutely appalling performance from Trump. I think he got his lines wr9 about the sacrifices (autocue failure?). I think he meant to say that many had made sacrifices for him in business so he could make his fortune. Have to say he already aging and looking knackered before even getting g the nod for the job.

His biggest fear must still be the IRS. After all they were the secret force to get AL Capone.

The Veteran said...

Redbaiter ... get a life. Stupid comment. Where precisely is the lack of objectivity in the post.

Trump's selective service details are a matter of public record as are his attacks on McCain and Allan. I prefer facts to blind prejudice but if you want to defend Trump for his appalling attack on men who have served their country with honour compounded by his suggestion that HIS 'sacrifice' in making HIS millions was somehow comparable with those who made the supreme sacrifice for their country then I have to say your values and mine are poles apart ...

I see you are contemplating moving to Fiji. Their gain is hardly our loss but one piece of 'friendly' advice ... don't piss Josaia B off. His government is a lot less forgiving than ours. Their 2009 Crimes Decree defines sedition as an 'act which brings into hatred or contempt or to incite dissatisfaction with the Government of Fiji' .... something you seem to delight in with every comment you make concerning the NZL government.

Indulge yourself over there and I suspect you will find firsthand the Fiji Prison Service ain't renowned for the creature comforts provided for inmates.

The Veteran said...

Paulus ... you are right to comment on Clinton's record. It too is appalling. A pox on both of them.
America deserves much, much better.

David said...

Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi, I'ts a broken record from the rabid right.

There is a hell of a lot to excoriate Clinton over, but even a Rethuglican controlled Congress couldn't nail her on that score.

And the 3AM phone call is a myth (or, for those who prefer more direct language, a blad faced lie).

Go after her for the things that matter.

Redbaiter said...

Vet, you just will not get it with you.

I don't know what Fiji is like, was only asking Adolf for his opinion.

However I do know what NZ is like. How come you continue to deny the anger that exists out there with the status quo, and what has happened to our countries and our societies?

And it has happened largely because those who profess to oppose the left have so weakly surrendered to them, or worse, become them.

Here's a piece I came across today that is an excellent synopsis of why we are angry. Especially with treacherous parties like the NZ Nationals, the UK Conservatives, and the US Republicans.

They have utterly betrayed us in allowing the following events to occur.

Author Dan O'Connor

If you occupied what was considered the ideological/ moral centre ground in 1960s, and went to sleep for so years and woke up in 2015, you'd find yourself occupying the ideological/ moral "far right". You didn't have to budge one inch ideologically to find yourself there. That whizzing sound you heard was the ideological /cultural centre ground zooming over to the Cultural Marxist hard left.

Everything that was considered mainstream obvious, common sense, logical and moral in 1960s, is now considered by our political, academic and media elite to be bigoted, ignorant, hateful, xenophobic, racist, extremist, and some form of mental abnormality.

In other words, within the space of 50 years, morality, right, wrong, evil, good, normal, obvious, extreme, sanity, truth, beneficial, dangerous and the instinct for group self-preservation, has been inverted and stood upside down on its head.

Never before in the entire course of human history, has an entire culture, race and civilization decided to hand over its lands, social capital, heritage and identities to competing and intruding alien cultures without a fight, and even worse, to evolve an ideology that morally justifies it and glorifies it as proof of their moral supremacy. European man is in a civilizational death dance.

So true.

The Veteran said...

Red ... this post is about Trump. You make a statement that my post lacks objectivity and when you are called out you change the subject to bang on again about your favorite subject of Reds under, in and on top of the bed. Stick to the point please. Appreciated. Thank you.

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