Saturday, July 16, 2016

BIZARRE, SIMPLE, BUT VERY EFFECTIVE.


While I accept that my response is a significant aim of the perpetrator of the murder by truck on the Nice waterfront, what I will never accept as adequate is another wailing, praying and  posturing by elected leaders bewailing the bloody tragedy and then doing absolutely nothing to address how it was allowed to happen, yet again.

Obama has developed an art form of shallow rhetoric after such murderous rampages. He takes another swipe at 'Terrorism' when the only dialogue needs to be with the leaders and enablers of yet another "Lone Wolf". Muslim clerics, Saudi Princes, leaders of Islam dominated states across the globe should cease being thankful that this latest sickening assault on entirely innocent citizens of a free democracy didn't happen in their shithole nations held in the suffocating time warp of the sixth century.

Hollande, Merkel, Obama et el open your bloody eyes and call this appalling bloodbath for what it was.
It matters little that the perpetrator, as yet, has had no discoverable links to anything remotely associated with "radicalisation", the fact his name was Mohammed should give an inkling that his benighted religious background was almost certainly what primarily motivated his killing spree rampage.

I understand the politically castrated who gather to condemn Israel regularly for retaliating when mad muslims fire rockets from centres of life that most regard as sanctuaries, schools, hospitals etc,  but I seriously doubt that truck would have covered 200 meters in Israel when the one in Nice continued its carnage for in excess of two Kms.
It is a bloody war and this latest battle at Muslims 1 innocent citizens 84, seems to have been a significant victory for those who would wish to have the entire planet under Islamic rule.

'Mohammed the latest'  succeeded in large part because he chose to make his bloody mark on history in a nation that is still to kindly naïve in allowing such a tragedy to be enabled by the freedoms civilised western nations still regard as valuable.
Those innocents were just enjoying Bastille Day, a day that commemorates the casting off of a mantle of oppression and servitude that saw the birth of modern democratic albeit socialist France.

34 comments:

Howie said...

"It matters little that the perpetrator, as yet, has had no discoverable links to anything remotely associated with "radicalisation", the fact his name was Mohammed should give an inkling that his benighted religious background was almost certainly what primarily motivated his killing spree rampage."

Unimpeachable logic right there. His name tells you his motives, despite him not actually being Muslim or in anyway directed by ISIS.

Can we arrest all Timothys and Andrews now then? Should make the world a safer place according to your "reasoning".

The Veteran said...

Howie, this from the French Prime Minister Manuel Valls in an interview with France 2 TV a couple of hours ago ... "Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was a terrorist without doubt linked to radical Islamism in one way or another".

Howie said...

And? Are you suggesting a French politician cannot be wrong?

gravedodger said...

@ Howie I guess by that very deep comment you are including Presbyterians with Andrew and is it a stretch that Timothy will be CoE.
Now last time I checked neither the Presbyterians nor the Church of England were slaughtering significant innocents by way of advancing their respective faiths.
If I am in error could you direct me to the relevant sources.

Howie said...

"last time I checked neither the Presbyterians nor the Church of England were slaughtering significant innocents by way of advancing their respective faiths."

Tim McVeigh was a Catholic and Anders Breivik was also a Christian. Both committed atrocities defending their faith, by your "logic".

gravedodger said...

Howie you may have found nutters who had some connection to a faith but those two were entirely politically motivated with very little connection to either Catholic or Christian activity.

Now to advance your theory that I am in error over the truck murderer, perhaps you can enlighten us all as to what he was about to promote by killing all those innocents with a truck.

Perhaps he was tired and hungry and while searching for the "halal snackbar" he inadvertently drove over all those children leaving the fireworks display.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Don't feed the troll. chaps. Don't feed the troll.

Howie said...

"with very little connection to either Catholic or Christian activity."

Oh? So just like the Nice murderer then? Thanks for proving my point.

Adolt sticks fingers in ears and goes lalalalalala.

The Veteran said...

Howie ... re Valls ... he' a socialist and according to your oft expressed view of the body politik he can't, by definition, be wrong.

It maybe that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel is/was but a crazed nutter but the fact he is also Muslim gives those who want to the opportunity to label all Muslims crazy nutter terrorists and in the world and particularly the US that perception can quickly take pride of place over reality.

I say yet again, it's a long game folks and there ain't any short term quick fix solutions. We can thank our lucky stars for the 'ditch' but we shouldn't be too complacent (and I don't think the Govt is) because if some day there is a terrorist strike in NZL I'd bet dollars to donuts it will of the 'home-grown' variety rather than some immigrant gone rogue.

And the Greens and others on the Left still wax eloquent against the GCSB and the SIS and our m'ship of Five Eyes. Sigh.

Howie said...

"...the fact he is also Muslim gives those who want to the opportunity to label all Muslims crazy nutter terrorists and in the world and particularly the US that perception can quickly take pride of place over reality."

Precisely what Gravetodger is doing, thanks again.

And by all accounts he wasn't really a Muslim.

Pete said...

I share the thoughts expressed in the post. History, both past and recent, shows there is no room for complacency in dealing with radical Islamists and as they seem hard to separate from other Islamists, all Islamists have a problem they need to resolve fast.

I do not need a religion that comes across as very intolerant, regards me as an infidel, and does not respect the female component of my family is fully equal to the rest of us. I do not need any religion that seeks to tell me or any family member how to live. The random mayhem and murder from followers of Mohammed coming in daily news bulletins has cured me fully from any interest in further loading this country with any more of them.

I do not trust the UN to vet refugees from an over populated world in this countries long term interests. I do not trust the UN to vet radical Muslims out from the teeming millions they are seeking to resettle.

Focussing the formal migration policy to meet real needs, not just fruit pickers or dairy farm labourers to cover our own lazy and unemployable yobs, is an important action requiring close attention.

Paying attention to what the public are saying, not what the politicians and media are telling us to think, is critical for the leadership that is necessary to move away from the living with the religious and terrorist deadbeats who are seeking to overturn reason and tolerance. Francois Hollande can live with terrorism if he wants to. I do not.

David said...

Gravedodger said:

Those innocents were just enjoying Bastille Day, a day that commemorates the casting off of a mantle of oppression and servitude that saw the birth of modern democratic albeit socialist France.

You left out one very important word. France is not only modern, democratic and (possibly) socialist. It is also the most secular nation in Europe. No religious iconography is permitted in anything to do with the governing of the nation. No government employee can wear any outward sign of religion.

Compare that with the UK where unelected purveyors of religious twaddle get to sit in the Lords, the USA where every political candidate must pander to the rapidly shrinking but wildly screeching evangelicals, Germany with its state imposed tax to fund churches and New Zealand with its dirge appealing to a non existent god to defend it, whatever the fuck that means.

France is still a beacon of the enlightenment, and while the thugs that ran the US under Bush still decry them as "cheese eating surrender monkeys" while munching on their "freedom fries", France has been in the front line of attacks from religiously motivated thugs.

Perhaps you should also take a moment to reflect that a number of the first responders to this tragedy were Muslims. Just as the police officer murdered as he tried to arrest the Charlie Hebdo killers was also a Muslim.

The war is not just with Islam, it is with all religious ideology that is dragging us back to a theocratic past.

Arise, children of the Fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody banner is raised, (repeat)
Do you hear, in the countryside,
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They're coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your women!

To arms, citizens,
Form your battalions,
Let's march, let's march!
Let an impure blood
Soak our fields!

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors,
Bear or hold back your blows!
Spare those sorry victims,
Who arm against us with regret. (repeat)
But not these bloodthirsty despots,
These accomplices of Bouillé,
All these tigers who, mercilessly,
Rip their mother's breast!

To arms, citizens...

Sacred love of the Fatherland,
Lead, support our avenging arms
Liberty, cherished Liberty,
Fight with thy defenders! (repeat)
Under our flags, may victory
Hurry to thy manly accents,
May thy expiring enemies,
See thy triumph and our glory!

Howie said...

"there is no room for complacency in dealing with radical Islamists"

But this guy wasn't a radical Islamist, neither was the Orlando shooter, Dylann Roof or Anders Breivik. What are you going to do about nutters? Going around shrieking about banning Muslims won't stop them now will it ladies?

David said...

Gravedodger seems to think that only Muslims carry out terrorist acts, and that any counter examples can be denied by applying the “no true Scotsman” argument.

He seems to be unaware of The Lord’s Resistance Army, the >Maronite terrorists> in Lebanon, National Liberation Front of Tripura, The Army of God, The Hutarie, and hundreds of other terror groups motivated by Christianity.

In 2011, analyst Daryl Johnson of the United States Department of Homeland Security said that the Hutaree Christian militia movement possessed more weapons than the combined weapons holdings of all Islamic terror defendants charged in the US since the September 11 attacks.

The Veteran said...

Howie ... get your facts right. You say that Omar Mateen. the Orlando Shooter, "wasn't a radical Islamist". How do you explain this then .... "In a 9-1-1 call shortly after the attack began, Mateen swore allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi". Baghdadi is a self proclaimed Sunni militant jihadist

So, in your lexicon swearing allegiance to ISIL and its leader and you're not a radical Islamist? Strange.

Howie said...

He was your typical unhinged self-hating American gun nut who referenced ISIS to justify his response to his self-hatred. That's pretty obvious now. He knew nothing about Islam, but plenty about hanging out in gay bars. It gives you a hook to hang your fear on though, so that's good right?

The Veteran said...

Howie .... there is a middle course to be steered between those who think each and every Muslim is, by definition, a terrorist and those like yourself (and Obama) who can't bring themselves to utter the words Islamic terrorism.

FFS, Major (now Private) Hasan Nidel is incarcerated at Leavenworth awaiting execution after being convicted of the Ford Worth massacre and the Administration still refers to the case as one of 'extreme workplace violence'.

Islamic terrorism is real and the threat of it far outweighs the threat posed by nutters like Breivik.
Failing to recognise that and burying your head in the sand ain't going to solve the problem.

Howie said...

"Islamic terrorism is real and the threat of it far outweighs the threat posed by nutters like Breivik."

In respect of the United States that is utterly false. Your and the right's obsession with the scary Muslims and gun freedom is a bit weird.

The Veteran said...

Howie ... to respond. You're a bit weird and more than a bit weird. Your inability to look rationally at the issue is indeed worrying. Radical Islam is scary. Muslims are not ... spot the difference. The fact the you can't sez heaps.

paul scott said...

Many Conservatives I read say that it is valuable not to engage with apologists for terror.
Opposing arguments, rational, can actually re-enforce their clinical status.
Over at Kiwiblog, the posts are headed by the Author name and you just keep scrolling past sickly people.
As far as I can see Islam terror is associated with Muslims. The jellybean theory is relevant. No jellybeans through the gates. They might look ok, but they have little jellybeans, lots of them, some deadly poisonous.

Anonymous said...

Mr Dodgers posts are just so predictable, in fact if you go back several months you will see they are all interchangeable with a few place names changed. But not be to harsh he did warn us of the impending Holy war with Jihadists disguised as refugees flooding Europe and orginised military groups attacking all and sundry.

er, no. The Middle Eastern refugees have been responsible for alerting the authorities to suspicious characters in their midst and the atrocities follow the same pattern of being perpetrated by French citizens from the low socio economic group with limited education and a criminal record. What I object to is the knee jerk reaction of governments immediately giving ISIS the credit and creating publicity for themselves under the guise of "look at us we are doing something.

It was, like so many others, a lone wolf attack of which ISIS knew nothing about but is always quick to claim responsibility. Of course anyone who tries to do something like banning assault rifles falling into the wrong hands is seen as a wobbly lefty with the gun nuts screaming how can we protect ourselves against terrorists?

One thing is painfully obvious in Dodgers posts he has learnt absolutely nothing from some very informative people and is hell bent on formenting some sort of crusade. One thing is noticeable in the French press is that people from the Middle East do not refer to us en-mass as Christians but as French or English or German. But to the blinkered outlook of Dodger everybody from that part of the world is Muslim.

Oh, and France has been socialist for about 360 years, which actually reads for the people, by the people..........ie the people come first....hard to understand by somebody who judges a country by it's GDP.

Lord Egbut Nobacon...Troll hunter extraordinaire.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Au contraire! Tis the vitriolic posts of Legbut which are so predictable.

Little substance, much chest thumping and the odd lie thrown in as irrefutable truth.

gravedodger said...

So Legmutt, increasing reports of links to ISIS for the truck murderer, the arrest of 5 on suspicion of a suspected cell, the enormous probability that such incidents can be better maintained as covert in such links by terrorists masterminded by manipulative operatives managing the ignorant and simple foot soldiers many with known psychological issues able to be radicalised and sent out in short order to perpetrate their very effective mayhem that you choose to minimise.

You keep your empty cranium deeply embedded in whatever sand you wish, it is war and the ongoing facile fairy-tales that most Muslims are peaceful will be of little comfort when they come for you as it wont be the peace loving it will be the motivated radicalised minions regarded as expendable in the long game that the mad clerics have maintained for one and a half millennia.
Your best hope is they kill you quick, not as reported from the inquiry into the Bataclan atrocity, then again chocking on your testicles with your eye balls dangling under your nose couldn't happen, they are a peace loving bunch if somewhat misunderstood, aren't they.

Howie said...

"increasing reports of links to ISIS for the truck murderer"

Afraid not old chum. No matter how hard you try and wish it so, there is no evidence this nutter was part of an ISIS cell or directed by ISIS. He wasn't even a practising Muslim. A disaffected angry nut, yes. Religious fanatic? bzzzzzz, that is incorrect.

Anonymous said...

http://time.com/4409306/france-nice-attack-terrorist/

Anonymous said...

He was a wife beater, drug taker and drank heavily. He could have lived in Manakau. Then again he could have just had a personality disorder and been a pilot, a German pilot.

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

You forgot to ;mention he shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as he drove over the people.

Anonymous said...

Allegedly, he was locked in a cab of a noisy lorry.......but even if he did it was just a peg to hang his immediate hat on. The German wings pilot might have shouted Heil Hitler?????

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

You are struggling.

"A peg to hand his hat on." That's a new one. What else do you have up your sleeve?

Psycho Milt said...

Then again he could have just had a personality disorder and been a pilot, a German pilot.

Or, he could have had a personality disorder and committed an act of terrorism. Suppose the GermanWings pilot Andreas Lubitz had been raised as a fascist, and that there'd been a recent spate of murder-suicides in which fascist extremists targeted European citizens, and that there was plenty of evidence of premeditation, planning and contact with others about his intended murder-suicide, and that the date of his murder-suicide was an important one to people hated by fascists, eg 1 May. Would anyone seriously be suggesting Lubitz was just a guy with a personality disorder and no way did it have anything to do with fascism?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Here's your latest 'lone wolf.'

....French police have arrested seven people in connection with Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel’s terrorist attack in Nice, six of whom are reportedly still in custody. It has emerged that Bouhlel sent a series of texts to accomplices, or at a minimum to people who knew what he intended to do. The texts said things like “Bring more weapons. Bringing in 5,” and “It’s good. I have the equipment,”

Anonymous said...

I told you once Flinko, do you never learn....wait for facts not media stories. There is no evidence of any religious aspect to this story just an act of terrorism perpetrated by a low class criminal with a death wish...there will be more before it is over as a democracy is cannot protect itself from these types of attack.

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

So when the facts don't fit your narrative, you get all pussy?

Anonymous said...

The ISIS connection in this instance is such a joke in France that social media is taking the piss blaming the loss to Portugal in the UAFA cup and Brexit on ISIS.

When shit happens in Mexico you read Mexican papers when it happens in France you read French papers.......not the unholy alliance between Der Bild and Mail on Line both right wing rags catering to the more moronic of our society.

Wait for the facts before you have a hissy fit.

Lord Egbut