Sunday, June 26, 2016

Sore Sour Losers

So the socialists who lost the Brexit vote want another referendum?

What will they do if they get their wish (which they won't) and the second referendum gives an even more emphatic win for the 'leave' vote?

Hell, in NZ these people would demand another election every time Labour yet again is defeated.


macdoctor said...

It illustrates just how far down the road of authoritarian tyranny Britain's "elites" have gone. Apparently, democracy is broken because the plebs won't vote the way we tell them...

David said...

Socialists, Adolf? Methinks you need to update your lexicon and get a few new epithets.

Once again, it is left to me to further your education.

I assume this is the petition to which you refer. If so, it is not by "the losers", but by sensible people who thought that the vote should be carried by a decent margin, whether it was for in or out.

Note the wording We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum. allows for either possible result.

Furthermore, the petition was initiated on 23/05/2016, well before the vote.

If, as you say "the second referendum gives an even more emphatic win for the 'leave' vote" then the petition will have served its purpose.

There is a long way to go, and leave is by no means certain. Cameron has quite cleverly handballed the problem to his successor, and those who were so in favour of leaving are now looking at the poisoned chalice of leading the exit. They know it will be messy and it will spell the end of the career of whoever takes on the role of PM.

I predict that the government will see sense, will not want to destroy its own economy and will attempt to negotiate a better deal while remaining part of the EU.

The Veteran said...

David ... let me educate you further. Cameron was re-elected on the promise to hold a referendum. Precedent in the UK has it that nationwide referenda are conducted on a FPP basis. If Cameron had attempted to change that to a 75% - 60% basis then he might (rightly) have been accused of attempting to skewer the vote in his favor. He didn't. The people have voted and the people are right even when they are wrong. They've made their bed and now they need to lie on it ... negotiate the best exit deal they can with the EU. There are risks, there are also huge opportunities.

There won't be a second referendum no matter how much the chattering classes whinge and moan. It would rip the government (Tory Party) apart and they know that. I suspect they will be happy watching Labour do it for them.

Anonymous said...

Wonderful to live in the disinformation age led by the intrepid Flinko with his finger on the political pulse.

The rules on a general election are enshrined in law. What we have just witnessed was a non binding referendum that can be acted on, not acted on or overturned by parliament if it is not in the national interest, which looks increasingly.

Even leavers are are complaining in their thousands that they were conned when within a day the manifesto they voted for no longer exists. Combine that with large numbers of overseas postal votes missing and a petition that is over 3 mill now and will be debated in parliament by law leads me to believe that you should stick to homespun stories about your cook and interesting chicken experiences in Pak'n'save.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

I could not dig; I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?

David said...

Vet, it now emerges that the petition was started by a leave campaigner, afraid that his side would lose. :-) Makes Adolf's cry about socialists carry as much weight as his post about diet water. :-)

A Leave campaigner who was worried Remain would win has admitted he set up the hugely popular petition to re-run the EU referendum - which has garnered more than three million signatures.

William Oliver Healey, an English Democrat activist, set up the petition in May. It asks for the EU referendum to be re-run if the remain or leave vote is less than 60%, based a turnout of less than 75%

Kindly note:

This vote to leave the EU is not binding, the government can ignore it. That is not "the elites" setting up a "tyranny" as the macdoctor would have it, it is the reality of a plebiscite.

The petition has gathered more than the requisite signatures for Parliament to debate it. That could result in either another vote, or an ignore.

There could be a dissolution of the current Parliament and a general election held. The result of that election could then give the new government a mandate to ignore the plebiscite.

The Veteran said...

David ... you are right in the sense that in the UK Parliament is sovereign but were Parliament to do just what you said (ignoring for the moment the small matter of fixed term elections ... and yes there are ways around that) I think that would tear the country apart further. You can't change the goalposts just because you didn't like the result.

Angry Tory said...

If Cameron had an ounce of integrity he'd have invoked Article 50 before resigning. As it is we'll have months when the commie "remainders" won't do he right thing - one way trip to France or Germany - but will continue to pollute England's decent people. UKIP has replaced Labour and Dry Eurosceptic Thatcherites have replaced cuddly Cameron wets. Now we can have an election only between independent democratic freedom parties - something that hasn't happened in England for 120 years.

The Veteran said...

AT ... which UKIP? The Farage UKIP or the Carswell UKIP? ... just askin.