Monday, April 11, 2016

SORRY STEVE, YOU AND YOURS ARE PISSING ME OFF

Steve (Tipene) O'Regan and I go back some way ... 25 years no less when we served together on a major Board.   I have some respect for his skills as a director and negotiator and certainly much of the success story that is Ngai Tahu is due in no small part to him.  

One thing I do know is that the more more I know about Maori politics the less I know and his feud with the Tirikatene-Sullivan family dynasty that saw him dumped from the Ngai Tahu Board will probably never be told or understood.   Later his 'mana' was severely dented by his involvement as a director of the failed company Hanover Finance (along with Mark Hotckin  and Eric Watson  ... quelle suprise).

But Sir Tipene continues on and right now he is a major player in the High Court action against the Government decision to establish the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary.   The essence of the claim is that it ignores the impact the establishment of the zone would have on Iwi fishing interests.    FFS, the Kermadec Islands are 800-1,000 km north of NZL.    Iwi don't fish there ... the seabed around the islands is extremely deep.   Almost all of it descends to 1,000 metres and one-third to over 5,000 metres.   Put simply, the claim by Te Ohu Kaimoana is an attempt to extort even more money out of the Government (read you and I as taxpayers).  

This challenge, along with the two cases currently before the Waitangi Tribunal arguing against the Government signing of the TPPA and the hugely divisive Maori Veterans Kaupapa Inquiry and, quite frankly, Maoridom is burning off the goodwill that exists by moderate Pakeha towards them in the settlement of legitimate land grievance claims.

Enough is enough and New Zealand cannot continue to be held to ransom by a avaricious minority who view the Treaty as an excuse for never ending claims based on a 'cargo cult mentality'.


20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hear hear
My Dad went to Uni with Tipene o'Regan. He was as Irish as they come then and known as Stephen O'Regan. Then, when he figured out that being Tipene could earn him more he changed his name.

This latest "claim" of his seems vexatious in the extreme.

Pete said...

Agree.

Add in to the mix the bid for management control of water by Iwi with charges for commercial users and the petition attempt to gain electoral wards in local government for Maori by legislation, and that is more than enough for this taxpayer/ratepayer.



Psycho Milt said...

Leaving aside as irrelevant the question of Tipene O'Regan's personal merits or lack of them (I tend to the "lack of" pov), it's a pretty straightforward issue: if the government includes fishing rights as part of a Treaty settlement, then tries to declare a significant amount of the potential fishing area off-limits to fishing, the recipients of the Treaty settlement can be expected to come looking for either compensation or a new settlement. If both parties to this contract consisted of White people, these outraged "moderate Pakeha" wouldn't have a problem seeing the basis for the dispute.

The Veteran said...

PM ... as I said, Iwi don't fish there. Too far away. What then the position of Pakeha owned commercial fishers ... after all, they're 'Treaty partners' too. Might they also have a claim? Their silence is deafening. They know the realities of fishing up there.

And it does make for Maoridom's oft stated concern for the environment seem just a tad (word beginning with H). I stand by my last para.

The Realist said...

Well said Vet
The Maoris are supposed to be the "master conservationists" (lol) just the same way as they are supposed to be "master mariners" yet they didn't find Australia the largest landmass in the whole area.

JC said...

Nevertheless its a legal right of Maori and that has its force of law.

The way round it is as old as the hills for authorities. They simply say Maori have deemed by legal action that the fishery is extremely valuable to them so a warship must be built and placed on permanent patrol of the area to protect the asset along with a fleet of officials.. costs to be paid for by a grateful Iwi.

JC

Anonymous said...

Don Brash thinks the govt stuffed up and the current claim has merit so PM is, in this case, correct. I suspect some numpty thought Maori wouldn't really worry about something so far away that they never went near to so the blame rests with some idiot back in 1992 (as I understand it) that tossed in something he/she thought was only symbolic.

Govts - stuffing shit up since day one.

3:16

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy said...

I guess the Government could just quietly drop the idea of a Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary but make sure the reasons for abandoning this conservation measure are well known.

After all, it was easy to put into place because it's not a viable fishery anyway so is it going to make a helluva lot of difference?

The Veteran said...

TTSP ... and that's the whole point ... it's not a viable fishery and avaricious Maori are attempting to extort dosh for something that is nothing. I'm not holding my breath that the High Court will recognize the claim for what it is in which case I would hope that Government will pull the plug on the proposal rather than attempting to buy 'them' off.

Above all it demonstrates the 'dog' which is MMP politics. In this case and currently the Government is dependent on the Maori Party and there is a price to pay for their continued support which, right now, has them registering around the margin of error in the polls. Happened on the other side too to whit Shane Jones as Minister for ... (Porn) caving into Green Party demands for low-flow shower heads to be made compulsory.

Nookin said...

It seems that there is a contractual obligation to consult and, consequently, the government stuffed up the process.
As I understand the position, the proceedings are in the form of an application for judicial review of the government's decision. If the government flew in the face of an obligation to consult then the grounds for review exist but the Court still has a discretion as to whether it will grant any relief.

The court may very well take the view that despite the shortcomings in process, exactly the same decision would be made with consultation and decline relief.

The worst case for the Crown is that the court will send it back to the drawing board and re-start the process. The Crown will have to consult but may very well make exactly the same decision.

The Veteran said...

Nookin ... my understanding is that the Government DID consult ... the problem being that Government did not agree to the demand for compensation. I suspect Government took the view that to 'compensate' for a fishery that isn't doesn't quite stack up.

JC said...

Vet, it then becomes an issue of whether the Crown consulted enough if that is all the complaint is based on.

If however, Iwi can argue that in the future new knowledge and technology would/could make the fishery viable.. that would support the Maori case, but only if that is included in the brief before the Court (I think).

JC

The Veteran said...

JC ... good point but I do think we're getting into some really uncharted and muddy water if we go down the path of speculating on technology that doesn't exist and may not ever exist.
Just where do you draw the line?

Paulus said...

The sooner at the next election there will be no Maori seats - Labour will subsume the seats - not that it will do them any good anyway.
As for Steve as we knew him in Wellington just before he saw the gravy chain with a name change.
In Tauranga currently we are beset with Maori demands for representation on unelected Council seats,
Demands that if the council wants to get rid of spare land that Maori must be given first refusal - they say market rates - yea - give us taxpayers money and we may give some back to you.
We are beset by continual grievances and it is getting worse daily and out of hand.

Lange, Palmer and mates like Steve should be ashamed of themselves - there are only part part Maori but they are making a lot of new regular demands supported by the so called media.

Psycho Milt said...

PM ... as I said, Iwi don't fish there. Too far away.

Sure. But Maori have heard that from NZ governments before: "You aren't using this bit anyway, so we're taking it." Reasonable number of Treaty settlements paid out for exactly that approach from previous governments. I had thought we'd learned not to do that, but apparently the current government consists of traditionalists in this respect.

What then the position of Pakeha owned commercial fishers ... after all, they're 'Treaty partners' too. Might they also have a claim?

Not unless an NZ government had settled a historical Treaty grievance by granting them fishing rights that included that area.

Nookin said...

Just to cheer everyone up, it is relatively common for a ministerial decision to be overturned --refer TPP, Parata on school closures etc -- simply because the Court subjects the process to so much more scrutiny than most ministers can contemplate.

Vet -- I thought that Iwi had been ignored. Sorry and thanks for the correction.

The Veteran said...

PM ... Maori were consulted and Te Aupouri and Ngati Kahu (the two Iwi closest to the area) gave the go-ahead and, in return, were given seats on the Ocean Sanctuary Board. Now we have other parties trying to muscle their way into the debate in the hope of gaining some financial advantage. Government is proposing a conservation area for c********s ... all this demonstrates to me is that for some Maori conservation takes second place to gouging the taxpayer ... I see too that some Pakeha fishing interests have now aligned themselves with Maori in opposing the move. My comment applies equally to them too. Greedy bastards all.

Anonymous said...

PM
applying your "logic" Maori need to prove the Kermadecs meant anything to them. Doubt they can.
but then ol' whitey is just a racist B****d anyway isn't he? yeah right.
DrCP

Anonymous said...

There has been a total commercial 'no-take' round the inshore Kermadecs waters for years. To the north of our 200 nm EEZ from the group lies international waters and those of the Pacific states -- and a picket line of between 100 & 300 mostly Chinese longliners. They operate under licences issued by places like Tuvalu, Nauru, Samoa and the Cooks. Its money for jam, print a licence, get money, wave them goodbye from the dock, rinse and repeat. The South Pacific tuna fishery is rooted. I trust the NZ polynesians as much as their northern kin to not go into 'joint ventures' with any wog outfit to come bearing gifts.
Tipene and his mates need a whack on the snout here.

Mick

Psycho Milt said...

...applying your "logic" Maori need to prove the Kermadecs meant anything to them.

Applying my logic, if the government wants to change the terms of a Treaty settlement it needs to negotiate with the other parties to that settlement, regardless of anyone's opinions about the Kermadecs or any other islands.