Tuesday, February 16, 2016

The Price of Arrogance

And NZ could so easily have avoided this scenario had we adopted a less belligerent attitude and more common sense in our dealings with Fiji over this past ten years.

"The Russian shipment of 20 containers came as New Zealand's Foreign Minister Murray McCully flew to Fiji with offers to strengthen Kiwi relations with the island nation."

McCully's too late.


26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just a matter of asking. I'm sure the would gift us few containers if we asked.
It will be interesting to see if they are the new AK74's or clapped out 47's.
Putin is just sabre rattling at the moment and in spite of the press they are not our enemy...yet.

The greatest gift to politicians in the US and Russia would be to resurrect the cold war. It kept the Russian people in a state of siege and ignorance and the kept the US military industrial complex in clover.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

No AKs. Two containerised workshops, a truck to carry them and grenade launchers.
One of the workshops for armourers to referbish the current FMF Weapons.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Bad luck Legbut. There goes another theory down the drain.

Anonymous said...

Another witless comment Adolf. Just going by what was printed in the Herald. Try reading the background before you pontificate.

Love the RPG's, they account for more casualties to the firers than the firees.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... Russia is flexing its muscles witness whats happening in the Ukraine and Syria. Whether this morphs into Cold War #2 remains to be seen and certainly the election Donald Trump might contribute to that. As for the Pacific and Russia is simply doing what China has been doing for years ... weapons or aid, no difference. It's all about establishing a presence. The Island States are awash with weapons with a goodly proportion coming from former eastern bloc countries.

What it does demonstrate is that when you create a vacuum by withdrawing recognition as Aust & NZL did for a number of years you make it easy for other countries who don't necessarily play by the same rules to make a play for influence.

One suspect the weapons are AK74s. AK47s wouldn't be any sort of step up from the M16s and Daewoo K2 assault rifles which presently form the mainstay for the FMF. As for your comment re the RPG ... don't know if you have ever had one fired at you, I have. they're a weapon to be respected.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut. Only a fool believes anything printed in the Herald. And by the way you were banned not long ago for breaking house rules. I see you failed to learn.

Goodbye.

Anonymous said...

Veteran: Anything fired at you is to be respected, and that includes crossbows, muskets and the trebuchet . Countless number of RPG7 rounds were fired at British vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan without causing casualties.. The RPG2 in your era was not anti personal it was a shaped charge for anti armour purpose which is more bang than bite.

When used by highly excitable people without due consideration for those standing nearby the back blast not only killed people but left identifying burns. RPG alley in Belfast was quite exciting at times, fortunately they were only RPG2's

Its worth perusing this from wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan_since_2001

Lord Egbut

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... the RPG7 (not 2) was introduced into Soviet service in 1962 and supplied to North Vietnam starting in 1966 where it was carried by every squad in the PAVN. Yes, at that time the weapon as essentially an anti-armour weapon with the HEAP round not introduced until the 1970s. Be that as it may, the anti-armour round was lethal when detonated and I lost a couple of casualties to it.

The soldiers in 273 and 274 (NVA) Regts and D445 Bn were a cut above your bog standard IRA terrorist and were more adept at using the weapon properly.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Egbut
I once went to a corporate box at a NZ v South Africa cricket match.
I imparted my limited cricket knowledge to the very friendly champ id just met.

On enquiring who he was , and told he was an ex NZ Cricket Captain , I felt as bigger fool as you should , telling the Veteran of things you've only read about, and he as a senior officer had to know about as other lives depended on it.

Angry Tory said...

As Whale said at the time: Banning the Labour party? That's not anti-democratic, that's just common sense!

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Anon @ 1.35

He's a Wikipedia Warrior, don't you know?

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... if the person you were referring to was one JR Reid then you were in very special company indeed. I think when he retired he held the record for most matches, most runs and most wickets ... unlikely to be challenged over that.

Anonymous said...

Anon: 1.35 and Adolf: That's a huge assumption that is wrong. My military credentials in two bush wars stand up to any scrutiny.

Veteran: It was 23rd July 1968. Charlie fired off a couple of wild RPG2 HEAT rounds at high elevation using the GDAFP method. ( General Direction and Fucking Pray) One man slightly wounded. I repeat, the RPG use as an anti personal weapon, particularly in the bush, is highly overrated. Back blast sets fire to your own ambush position and causes temporary loss of vision to those at rear of the firer.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Anon: 1.35 and Adolf: That's a huge assumption that is wrong. My military credentials in two bush wars stand up to any scrutiny. Perhaps you might enlighten the blog to yours?

Veteran: It was 23rd July 1968. Charlie fired off a couple of wild RPG2 HEAT rounds at high elevation using the GDAFP method. ( General Direction and Fucking Pray) One man slightly wounded. I repeat, the RPG use as an anti personal weapon, particularly in the bush, is highly overrated. Back blast sets fire to your own ambush position and causes temporary loss of vision to those at rear of the firer.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Bit off thread. Not RPG. AK74s in next shipments

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I see the Australian has an editorial bleating about this shipment to Fiji.

The paper grudgingly admits where the real fault lies.

"....After Mr Bainimarama’s coup in 2006, Fiji was denied up-to-date weapons when Australia, New Zealand and the US imposed sanctions until 2014. That estrangement might have opened the door to Russian influence,....."

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... Outed at last. Suddenly everything fits. It's 'you' being 'you'. Well done although I never had you picked for one of 'them'.

Don't know how you can say with any assurance they were RPG2 rounds as opposed to RPG7 rounds. All we had to go on the the 'bang'. Not sure that RD would agree with you about being 'slightly' wounded.

How go the dog(s)?

Coming to Blenheim?

Noel said...

I don't understand the surprise from some areas. The bilaterial agreement was signed in June 2013 and became public knowledge in early 2014.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...
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Anonymous said...

On the positive side we know which way Fiji will vote on Syria.

Anonymous said...

Veteran: RD seriously wounded by OZ 105 shell striking high trees. My mission is in life is to keep you on the path of righteousness and Adolph in the world of reality.
VC = RPG2........NVA = RPG2 + 7

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Veteran: VC = RPG2....NVA = RPG2 + 7.

Poor old RD was seriously wounded by a friendly 105 shell striking a high tree, not RPG. Who the hell invented the term friendly fire? There is nothing friendly about it at all.

My mission in life, which is nearly accomplished, is to keep you on the path of righteousness and Adolf in the world of reality although in Adolf's case it's work in progress.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Adolfs case a work in progress.
Better to give up now. You'll never get to the end of the job.

The Veteran said...

Milord ... thank you. The bunker complex we hit was later assessed to be the supply base for a main force unit (although there wasn't much left of it after three days of attack which included air strikes and a whole Regiment of Arty firing almost continually at it). RD was in BP's Section and BP said it was an RPG and that's what I'm going on. But equally you could be right because I had called down Arty fire to virtually on top of us so as to extract us from the bunkers which were giving us gip.

No response re dogs.

No response re Blenheim ... I am down there at a Court sitting shortly and due to meet up with JC (not that one) and DS for a drink. They will be fascinated to learn of your aristocratic status ... much like the lady I met in Vung Tau who wanted to know if I knew a Sir Fee with whom she had a 'relationship'.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

Apologies for needless comment about which side you may have been on. Comment withdrawn.

Anonymous said...

You are a still a bit hazy on the time lines Veteran but as the conversation centered around the effectiveness and usefulness of the RPG I will just add this.

During "the troubles" which is euphemism for a brutal civil war over 50 RPG7 rounds were fired at the British army and RUC. They attained hits on Snatch Landrovers, Saracen APCs, watchtowers, police stations and bunkers. Yet only one man was killed, an RUC constable and that was almost by accident. In the incident where Pte Beharry won his VC in Iraq his APC took four or five RPG7 Hits and still made it home.

A highly over rated weapon that looks good on CNN soundbites.

Lord Egbut