Sunday, December 6, 2015

WELL DONE THE NZDF

Kudos to the NZ Defence Force for their 'zero tolerance' approach to drug taking. No ifs, buts or maybes ... you indulge, you're gone.   It's been a feature of our military for as long as I can remember and long may it continue.

This follows the news that five soldiers from Linton Military Camp have been discharged after taking N-Bomb, a psychedelic drug, over the Labour weekend holiday break.   My understanding is that they admitted to the drug taking.  Three more are to face Courts Martial.

This may not sit well with our more liberal members of society including some of our parliamentarians and to them I say stiff ... so what if other 'professions' are prepared to turn a blind eye to drug taking ... sez much about them and their standards (or lack of).   There's no place in the military for drug users ... I saw the results of an unchecked drug culture in another countries armed forces and the devastating consequences it had.

And before anyone rushes in with the old hoary of alcohol abuse all I would say is that the consumption of alcohol in the military is but a fraction of what it was in my day .... wet canteens/clubs/messes awash with liquor, doesn't happen any more.


10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Alcohol is a mind altering drug don't kid yourself

"wet canteens/clubs/messes awash with liquor, doesn't happen any more." THE VETERN

Yeah Right

Anonymous said...

Well said Vet. I agree totally with you. My experience is identical to yours.

The first comment from a respondent also proves you right.

The attitude displayed by senior commanders on this case is exactly what the overwhelming number of NZDF members want.

The Veteran said...

Anon 2.19 ... I suspect you have never served in the military but let me try and educate you a little. A close relation of mine commanded HMNZS Te Maha on its operational deployment up to the Gulf a few years ago. Junior rates had access to a beer dispensing machine accessed by a swipe card and limited to two cans per sailor per day. My advice is that during passage and on deployment (4 months at sea) the 70+/- sailors consumed a total of ... less than a dozen cans. Kinda blows your argument out of the water doesn't it.

To be fair this did not include 'runs' ashore but, if you know anything about the Gulf States, drinking clubs are few and far between.

Take what you want from that. I stand by my observation. The drinking culture in the NZDF has undergone a paradigm shift.

Anonymous said...

Very true Veteran drug taking should be stamped on hard as it is incompatible with good order and discipline.

There is a small however. You are referring to uncontrolled consumption of recreational drugs. the moment the military can see an advantage in drugging men for their own purpose they do not hesitate. Witness the extensive drug programs and testing by the US army and at Portland Downs UK.

The half pint of rum before the attack in WW1. Was that to calm the nerves or to bolster the fighting spirit. The bottle of whiskey left with condemned man before he was shot at dawn, was that a humanitarian gesture or to make things easier for the poor sods in firing squad. If anyone wonders, that is why the British commonwealth forces shot men while they were sitting on a chair, they couldn't stand.

What the hell is a N-bomb.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Tea and biscuits for all the junior rates/ranks....And no drugs(including alcohol)

I stand corrected by THE VETERAN and bow to the blokes superior wisdom in all things

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... the drug testing you refer to happened half a century ago. The drinking you refer to suma suma and more. Bit like electric shock treatment ... mostly gone.

Like you I haven't a clue what N-Bomb is ... sounds impressive though. My understanding is that the range of synthetic cannaboides expands by the day.

Anonymous said...

I seem to recall the NZ Army telling personel when based in Singapore that any drug offences would be turned over to the civil authorities first, followed by army discipline taking it's usual unambiguous course.

Four strokes of the rotan at a minimum.

I don't know if that played out in any cases or was just an effective threat.

Mick

Noel said...

I remember asking my son who was in law enforcement at the time how a local party went.
He said as soon as the hop heads lit up he was out the door, but he spent the night comparing notes with a soldier who also recognised that he should depart.

The N Bomb was reclassified as a Class B last year so they should have known.

On the past, I remember a Sgt collecting all the units Corporals together in an isolated area of the unit and producing a crate of beer during working hours. It took ones own experience to realise that he was an alcoholic. Of course PTSD wasn't in the manuals back then.

Anonymous said...

At the time of incident, the substance was yet to be classified. Its only classification was as a "psychoactive substance" which if a civilian was caught using, would incur a maximum fine of $500.
3 of the soldiers were charged after pleading guilty, 2 were dismissed without being charged (no evidence), 1 had been referred to Court Martial and pleaded guilty to supplying certain members of the group and the last 2 are awaiting Court Martial, with their fate yet to be decided as it seems the incident isn't as black and white as the Defence Force would like it to be.
I agree drug taking is a BIG no no, but its not just a criminal issue, its a health issue.
People that are using or addicted to drugs need treatment as well as discipline; plain and simple.
I can tell you right now as someone serving in the military that there are a very large portion of soldiers using drugs while on leave and that the drinking culture is still very bad, no one seems to get that alcohol is a drug, almost everyone in the world gets high on ethanol every week. If you are drinking, you are drinking to get as fucked up as possible and if you don't you're a pussy.
No doubt it was worse at some point but that's irrelevant to the fact that it is still bad now.
Just my 10c, its all too easy to condemn people when we should still be asking questions.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha, you guys have no idea what was happening over the months that the investigation took place, even the MP's have little idea. NZDF/Army command system is 'Fucked' and they need to learn to practice what they preach. my biggest question is the release of the 2 personals that didn't get charged, how do you explain that?

Regards.
Romeo