Saturday, December 5, 2015

Lets Put That Another Way


As world media and politicians dance on an increasingly crowded pinhead to avoid the bleeding -Pun definitely intended, obvious that the San Bernardino shooting was yet another deranged bloody soldier of Islam this time accompanied by his equally deranged missus.

A commercial investigative tax  outfit has a traditional end of year party to allow all the staff to mix and mingle while they enjoy a successful productive effort over the past year.
One employee who everyone seems to regard as a good bastard leaves the euphemistically titled "holiday party" picks up his wife of two years, leave their toddler with other family member, change into military style clothing, tool up with a couple of modified AR15 semi automatic rifles acquired legally under one of the most stringent state purchase regimes but illegally modified to bypass the full automatic constrict and incorporating a quick magazine change function and modified magazines to carry greater number of rounds.
Mr Soldier of Islam and his equally radicalised missus return to the happy gathering and commence an assault that kills more than a dozen and wounds many more. One co-worker who suggested Farouk was a "mate" luckily happened to be taking a slash in a restroom when the mayhem erupted and could not believe his good fortune as his lovely bestie went rogue.

When the good guys responded in around four minutes the terrorists decided to flee and were eventually brought down in a Bonnie and Clyde shoot out on a highway.

This event had  very little involvement with easy access to weapons.
The Mr and Mrs Killer were not really on any security watch list.
Mr Killer had made two pilgrimages to the Haj festival in Saudi Arabia.
Mr Killer was American born.
Mrs Killer was Pakistani born.
How loving were they to abandon a 6 month old child and commit suicide by Cop.

Finally that illustrious Irish named Barry O'Bama is some days later accepting their might be a connection to Islam.
Will the appeasement purveyors eventually recognise it is a bloody war and the normal rules of engagement do not apply.
Hacking the head of a non believer might satisfy a fifteen hundred year urge to gain acceptance in a bloody religious belief system but I have a differing opinion, it wont be a great recruitment ploy.
The Maths don't make sense, when the soldiers of Allah go rampaging, raping and killing there is very little prospect there will be seventy two virgins for each who dies a martyr's death unless the goats count.

Christianity is not without serious sin in the two thousand years since Jesus came along but with the interventions of Henry the Eighth, Martin Luther, Calvin, Knox, and others who challenged the Catholics who spawned the Inquisitions and other atrocious attempts to preserve the awesome power of the clergy. Christianity in the 21st century has a very acceptable and kinder if somewhat too often misdirected philosophy.
Islam is rooted in what their paedophile, murderous cult figure prescribed in the sixth century and for those who indulge their fantasies fifteen hundred years on, it has not changed one whit, Imams, Mufti's, Ayatollahs,  Sheiks and  other murderous thugs have no compunction in embracing it to perpetrate slaughter of innocents any where any time.
Paris, San Bernardino, become entries on a rollcall of events that will continue to expand and so far those we choose to rule over us are in thrall with seemingly very little urge to even recognise what is happening.

So let those who do see the current murderous events for what they are, celebrate Christs birth with all the fervor you can muster, eat lots of Pork and Bacon, sing carols eat the traditional fare and tell the bloody over sensitive Muslims to continue to save for their  trip to Mecca as it does not offend me.
Oh and all you cowardly bastards who enjoy killing and maiming, your religious beliefs are nothing to me and you can bash your head on the concrete as often as you wish, just don't involve me OK.

19 comments:

Ross said...

Daesh will have its work cut out in America if it takes the authorities two days to distinguish between a terrorism attack and a normal everyday good old American mass shooting.

But yes, the rules of engagement have changed.

The Veteran said...

Times change don't they ... took the US authorities just 48 hours to label the shootings as a terrorist attack.

Meanwhile ex US Army Major Nidal Hasan remains incarcerated at the US Army Disciplinary Barracks at Food Leavenworth awaiting execution for his shooting to death 13 people and injuring another 30 in the Fort Hood massacre of 5 November 2009 ... a massacre which the Obama administration refused to call a terrorist attack preferring to describe it as an act of 'extreme workplace violence'.

A bit like the old hoary where Moses Bernstein, coroner, described the death of Ali Malik. Arab, shot 17 times, as the worst case of suicide ever to come before him.

I agree with Ross. The ROG have certainly changed.

Anonymous said...

In the last 365 days there have been 355 mass shootings in the US. By mass I mean more than two people KIA by gunshot by one person.

Out of that lot most were losers with mental health issues so I think it's fair to say that if you are a Muslim with mental health issues you are no different than than the bloke who blew away his neighbours because they were in contact with aliens. Yes, it is all about easy access to military assault rifles and guns in general. As Obama said "We can put a man on a no fly list but we can't stop him buying a machine gun"

You are being selective in your bile Dodger. Trying to draw a parallel by using the US as a benchmark is well nigh impossible. Sadly I thing you lack good conversation in your bunker. There is nothing to be ashamed of by seeking professional help.

Lord Egbut

Howie said...

"Sandyhook, Columbine, Charleston, Chattanooga, Santa Monica, Washington, Isla Vista, Roseburg, Colorado Springs become entries on a rollcall of events that will continue to expand and so far those we choose to rule over us are in thrall with seemingly very little urge to even recognise what is happening."

See what I did there? Easy to blame the scary Muzzies for these regular random atrocities, but the real issue, quite obviously, is that there aren't enough guns in America. The answer is to ensure everyone has easy access to automatic weapons. What could go wrong?

JC said...

Your Lordship, you are off by 351 shootings, furthermore your 355 mass shootings where two are killed is also wrong. It applies to all shootings where 4 or more people were *injured*.

Mother Jones, the investigative mag which Wikipedia helpfully tells us "Caters for the left side of politics) has a big database with the details..

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/mother-jones-left-claims-355-mass-shootings-2015-actual-number-4/

Further, those 355 shootings bring in the real gun war in America that the President and the lefties do not want to talk about.. those shootings are overwhelmingly gang related and Black on Black. Perhaps your title immunises you here but the average US plonker who mentions B on B is considered a racist.

So we have this strange definition of 355 mass shootings that must always be mentioned to absolve Islamists of mass murder but one cannot ask who did the shootings.. very strange.

JC

Howie said...

This is probably a wee bit too complicated for someone as simple-minded as you JC, but the definition you have fallen upon as the most convenient for you is ludicrously narrow and is being used by the gun nuts to try to minimise the problem that ludicrously easy access to firearms has created. A definition of a "mass shooting" where at least 4 are killed or injured is reasonable to normal people. It's got nothing much to do with race, but given you're a racist you see everything through the prism of skin colour.

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... there is no suggestion those involved had mental health issues so it would be wrong to pigeonhole them in the same box as many of the other miss-fits who went ape.

Play the numbers game as much as you like but the simple question I would pose to you is how many involved an apparently 'normal' couple who turned their home into a pipe bomb making factory (with a view to what?); accumulated an arsenal of weapons; dumped their six month daughter off on relatives; donned combat gear; carried out the massacre and then sped away from the scene in a SUV leaded with more weapons and ammunition (to do what?)

There is a certain difference between nutters gone mad and a pre-planned terrorist event although, regrettably, the outcomes are similar.

The gun culture in America is there to stay enshrined in the second amendment to the US constitution (and in the constitution of some forty four States). I can't see that changing any time soon (if ever) and the latest (terrorist) massacre will do nothing to advance that cause.

You do yourself no favors by your sneering put down of GD in your last sentence. Sez much about you and nothing about him.

Howie ... you continue to rabbit on about 'scary Muzzies'. Muzzies, noun, plural of Muzzy. Muzzy, adjective, Northern England dialect, Hazy, Indistinct, blurred, unfocused ... does that help

Anonymous said...

I'm always open to reason and the first to fall upon my sword if I am wrong but it would be helpful if you supplied references.

My reference is Obama through the State dept. Will humbly apoligise if my figures are wayward by more than 10%.

However this does beg the question. Who are the most dangerous to the indigenous populations in OZ, NZ,or the USA.... Muslim extremists or outlaw gangs with bent lawyers.

Just a yes no answer will do JC.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Veteran..it's a relief to be back to our formal titles. I do detest the familiarity that can sometimes breed contempt.

Well, lets not go into the mindset of our friends and allies of the good old USA.
I do believe pipe bombs featured predominately at the Atlanta Olympics also several LA subway bombings, or was it NY. So many and so little time for the pleasures of life.

Please try and be little less sympathetic to Dodgers point of view which is bordering on paranoiac.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

"... Christianity is not without serious sin..."

A bit dodgy this. Christians maybe shockers at times but the founder was never caught out and the teachings are not violent. The difference is important. Islam however cannot claim that with their prophet up to all sorts of dodgy behaviour. Chalk and cheese (but no wine).

"I'm always open to reason and the first to fall upon my sword if I am wrong..."

So Eggbutt, how is the constant disembowling working out?

3:16

JC said...

OK your Lordship,

For the US the FBI definition is the only "semi-official" one. Here tis..

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#two

"Generally, mass murder was described as a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders. These events typically involved a single location, where the killer murdered a number of victims in an ongoing incident (e.g. the 1984 San Ysidro McDonalds incident in San Diego, California; the 1991 Luby’s Restaurant massacre in Killeen, Texas; and the 2007 Virginia Tech murders in Blacksburg, Virginia)."

This Mother Jones article explains the general rationale plus a couple of additional sources for the description being 4 murders for a mass murder.. thats the introduction to their 30 year study of the number of mass murders in the US.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/what-is-a-mass-shooting

Here is the rationale for describing some gun violence as a "mass shooting"

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Main_Page

"About this Project
Welcome to the mass shooting tracker, as featured by CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The Economist and more.

The most obscene incidents of gun violence usually do not make the mainstream news at all. Why? Because their definition is incorrect. The mainstream news meaning of "Mass Shooting" should more accurately be described as "Mass Murder".

You'll note this was set up by media to expand the number of incidents into a "mass" and also its an anti NRA site. Thats all fine but there's nothing official about it and much that is political, anti gun and anti NRA and "newsworthy".

"Who are the most dangerous to the indigenous populations in OZ, NZ,or the USA.... Muslim extremists or outlaw gangs with bent lawyers."

Its hardly the subject but it gets back to my earlier point that by far the most numerous killings and shootings are gang and Black/Hispanic related but everyone dodges talking about it because they mainly occur in the big Democrat or Black controlled controlled cities.

For instance on about the same day as the Paris murders there were 17 people wounded by gunfire in New Orleans.. family picnics of 300 people in a park became the battle ground for a gang war. Police called for witnesses from the 300 people to come forward with video comment etc but days later still nobody saw nuttin' and took no pictures of the gangsters in their midst and its highly likely you didn't see a report on it in the media.
Chicago is another good example, thousands killed and wounded this year in mainly Black violence but nobody gives a damn until its a cop who does the killing.

JC

Howie said...

"Its (sic) hardly the subject but it gets back to my earlier point that by far the most numerous killings and shootings are gang and Black/Hispanic related but everyone dodges talking about it because they mainly occur in the big Democrat or Black controlled controlled cities."

But it's exactly the extent and scope of gun killings that this initiative is attempting to highlight (albiet without resorting to your blatant racism), and you're trying your hardest to undermine. You're dumber than a sack of hammers.

JC said...

Howie.. could you translate that from Bogan to English?

Thanks

JC

Anonymous said...

The media's job is to install fear. Fear sells whether it is global warming or cancerous tooth paste, drinking coke or drinking wine. The terrorism angle is just grist to their mill.

More people have died of bee stings than terrorist acts in the UK and if you really want to know what the papers don't tell you read this and do not forget under the current law an act of terrorism can encompass selling a book, a 17 year old kid with a scrambled brain trying to run away to Syria or associating with the wrong people.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/terrorism-arrests-analysis-of-charging-and-sentencing-outcomes-by-religion/terrorism-arrests-analysis-of-charging-and-sentencing-outcomes-by-religion

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Andrew Berwick said...

Who are the most dangerous to the indigenous populations in OZ, NZ,or the USA....

Hehe. Us Whiteys of course.

Oh, you meant to the "European" populations of OZ, NZ, USA...?

We'll that'd be socialists / communists / labourites / unionists / greenies / and their fellow travellers.
Still neither "terrorists" (muslim or otherwise) nor gangs.



Andrew Berwick said...

There is one good thing that MUST come from these attacks:

San Bernadino: modified AR15 semi automatic rifles acquired legally under one of the most stringent state purchase regimes but illegally modified to bypass the full automatic constrict and incorporating a quick magazine change function and modified magazines to carry greater number of rounds

Paris: Charlie Hebdo - AK-47s and a RPG; Bataclan, AK-47s.

Clearly a "good guy with a Glock" can't do anything against terrorists wearing body armor and carrying fully-autos and RPGs.
The Constitution is clear: the right to bear arms may not be infringed. As of today, that right absolutely extends to fully automatic weapons of all types, up to and including RPGs and tactical grenades.

How else can we defend ourselves?

Anonymous said...

You are gradually getting the hang of this satire thing Andrew. You just need to exaggerate a bit more and you have got it. A bit about Santa Claus packing a tactical nuke would have been good.

Lord Egbut

Psycho Milt said...

...if you really want to know what the papers don't tell you read this...

I did. It seems that, although Muslims make up less than 5% of the UK population, over half the people charged with terrorism-related offences are Muslims (290 out of 512 between 2001 and 2012). I agree that the newspapers have not told us this.

Anonymous said...

"Terrorist related offences" At the end of that article there is the list of what constitutes a TRO in the UK and if you look at the sentences given out for most of them. 12 months in reality translates to 6. which is so low level that they hardly constitute a threat.

What constitutes a terrorist incident? A Somali, whose family had reported him to the police over his mental health issues, randomly stabbed and wounded a tube passenger while shouting "This for Syria" this is now logged as a terrorist incident.

One day later a man ran into a Poundland store in Oxford with a knife in each hand and randomly stabbed a shopper to death. The police say they are not treating it as a terrorist incident. I bet the shoppers were terrorised.

Yesterday 8 London youths with Arabic names like Yasser and Anwar and whose mug shots made them look like hate preachers were jailed for Forty years for robbery with violence. Armed with baseball bates they attacked and offered GBH to random people for their wallets and phones nearly killing an airline pilot who was a Muslim.

Had one of them at any time said to a victim "Meet your god" or anything similar they would have been classed as terrorists.

While some of those convicted are are hardcore and dangerous it is equally certain that some of them or not and have fallen foul of some pretty draconian laws.

The folly of kneejerk reaction in passing hasty ill thought out laws is that some councils in the UK are using terrorism surveillance laws to catch people littering or dog fouling.

A London Muslim looks at his middle eastern counterparts the same way you would regard an Alabama "talking in tongues" happy clapper.

It's a big world Psycho and we do not fit into neatly compartmentalised boxes.

Lord Egbut