Monday, November 23, 2015


A move to change the Australian Army Chaplaincy Corps hat badge is under consideration.  The  
Army is looking at removing the motto “In this sign conquer” from the 102-year-old hat badges of army chaplains on the basis that it is offensive to Muslims.
The move comes after an Imam approved by the Grand Mufti (of Australia) was appointed to join the ­services Religious Advisory Committee earlier this year.
I guess the sad thing about this is that some weak kneed clerics on the committee will see it as their god given duty to turn the other cheek and support the call in the spirit of love and reconciliation.
Not sure how they're going to get round 'Sundayising' Friday though.

Hat-tip ... 'Jungle' Jim Parkins, SA, Class of Jun 65


Noel said...

No Australian Army comment that the removal is to appease Muslims.

May well be the underlying reason but until the ADF offically acknowledge it your claim is simply a repeat of media hype.


Anonymous said...

It will be to appease Muslims. That's the pattern - start with small things then demand bigger things when the suckers roll over.

A mate, a retired minister, was in hospital recently and encountered the chaplin (a Christian minister). The chaplin was quite open that he was not allowed to talk about God and Christianity - he had been reduced to some kind of fluffy spiritual social worker.


Anonymous said...

It is a British army badge that has been around for a bit longer than Australia. What the Australians want to do with it is their business. Jewish padres in both armies have the Maltese cross replaced with the Star of David so I suggest instead of everyone getting hot under the collar over Triggers mildly provocative posts they should go and have a nice cup of tea.

I suspect that in time Muslim Clerics might wear a crescent badge. A soldier dying on the battlefield deserves whatever his faith can provide, Particularly if he is our soldier. 110 Muslims in OZ army, 700 UK.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

Oh great, so Muslims are now calling the shots with the Australian Army. The apeasement offends me more than any motto.

Andrei said...

It is a British army badge that has been around for a bit longer than Australia

Its a lot older than the British army - Lord Egbut Nobacon

In its original form "ἐν τούτῳ νίκα" it belonged to Constantine the Great's army in the 4th century AD - 300 years before the birt of Mohammed in fact

It is more familiar in Latin "In hoc signo vinces" and appears on many coats of arms in this rendering

Incidentally it originally referred to the Chi Rho rather then the Cross, Christian symbolism tho

Andrei said...

Oh and by the way I doubt the removal has anything to do with Muslims - rather it is a symptom of the West's descent into Godlessness and the removal of Christian symbolism from the public square

In my experience Muslims have been supportive of Christians when Christian symbols have been trashed - even though they don't share that symbolism

Virgin in a condom comes to mind - when the Muslim community in Wellington spoke out about this blasphemy even though Christian veneration of the Virgin Mary is considered idolatary in Islam

The Veteran said...

Noel ... my source is an Aust Army (whistleblower) Chaplain. Happy!!!

In the wider scheme of things this is all about the dumbing down of our Judeo-Christian heritage and the principles this country was founded on and on which our laws are based.
At some point you have to say enough is enough ... if you don't stand for something you stand for nothing. As much as I can respect the Muslim religion as giving spiritual comfort to its believers the reality is that its values are not necessarily our values.

We should be a welcoming society but that does not mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater and attempt to be everything to all people because when you do that you end up as standing for nothing.

I accept there will be some who will not want to understand the point. Tough. They are the same people who concern themselves about the rights of criminals and care nowt about the victims.

Noel said...

South Africa has four badges for chaplains. Christian, Jew, Hindu and Muslin.'

Interestingly the Christian badge retains the Latin version.

Anonymous said...

Your logic is a bit shaky here Trigger. British army badges and mottos were inherited and are all from the imperialistic era and sometimes not appropriate. You bang on about our flag not being of the time and you have told us in many posts that Australia is a sovereign nation and we should butt out of their affairs, now you are tossing your oar in and making high sounding statements about a decision being made that has nothing to do with us.

I should imagine the connotations of the word "Conquer" is worrying to many religions in view of Britains imperialistic past and my informants tell me that the Ghurkas are not happy bunnies about it either.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Noel said...

What's the fear. If the badge is changed next it's Sharia Law for all.
Lets see there were attacks from Maori,Pacific Islanders and Ethopians all claiming ethnic laws were superior to NZ common law. All failed.

Oh shit I forgot the Homosexual Law Reform Bill.