Thursday, November 12, 2015

MORE ON KELVIN DAVIS

I note the reports that seven detainees, thought to be the masterminds behind the Xmas Island riot, have been identified as New Zealanders and (are being) relocated to a WA supermax facility pending trial.   Well, the good news is that they get to stay in Oz for a little longer.

Fact ... the riots started after Labour MP Kelvin Davis had met with NZL detainees and agreed to become their public voice.   Fact ... Davis predicted the prisoners were about to riot.

Comment ... if  Davis is found to have, in any way shape of form, either overtly or covertly, encouraged the inmates to riot as a means of drawing attention to their plight then he is in serious serious trouble.   The sight of a serving MP extradited to Oz to face charges of Instigation to Riot would certainly set the cat among the pigeons.


20 comments:

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The next batch of opinion polls will tell an interesting story.

Noel said...

"Davis predicted the prisoners were about to riot."

Ahh and the Serco intelligence unit did not?

Tinman said...

The sight of a serving MP extradited to Oz to face charges of Instigation to Riot would certainly set the cat among the pigeons.

Nah.

They'd just deport the bastard back here.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... and you think Davis was going to brief Serco on the matter (especially If he were involved)?

Anonymous said...

Works every time. Introduce an element of doubt based on political affiliation.

Kevin Davis, troublemaker par excellence. John Key, sound pair of hands. Now I wonder who is the most moral?

I take exception to this tragedy, particularly the needless death of an refugee found at the bottom of the stairs, oops, sorry cliff, being used as political point scoring.

Anonymous said...

For the first time ever a recording of of events in the NZ parliament has been broadcast by BBC4 radio. BBC4 is the station that most of the thinking public listen to.

The lines are in an uproar, Key shouting about rapists and murders, the speaker switching off mics and asking people to leave, accusations about one party supporting rape etc etc. The whole thing laid bare puts us one step above a banana republic. I just bloody well give up. The standard of debate on this subject in parliament is dismal and apart from one or two on this blog not much better.

Lord Egbut

Andrew Berwick said...

Of course Davis instigated the riot. That is just commonsense. In a US supermax in a GOP state they'd just have shot him and been done with that (and finished off the riot in the same straightforward way).

Let's just remember that Key wants to bring the crims home, while Labour wants them to stay in Oz...

Anonymous said...

Please tell me that the last post is an attempt at satire. Because if you are suggesting that once convicted and sentenced to more than 12 months poky for
0.6 gram of coke, DUI, punching your neighbour out for his choice of music or being pissed and getting into fight on wrong side then you are a "CRIM" hardened beyond redemption and danger to society and should have any rights removed and treated badly for the rest of your life then god help us all.

I don't do abuse but on reading moronic comments and there have been plenty I am sorely tempted. The worrying thing is that by law you have the vote.

Anonymous said...

Extradited?? in your dreams. I wonder if you would be prepared to read this and your previous statement on the steps of parliament?

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... yep. I too give up. Never in my experience has there been such a waste of parliamentary time on matters over which we have absolutely no control and involving New Zealanders who have turned their backs on New Zealand.

Davis is grandstanding pure and simple in an attempt to lift profile and the rest of his colleagues followed him, lemming like, and too dumb to figure out they were on the wrong side of public opinion ... he has a history of that ... last time it was an allegation (made under parliamentary privilege) that Judith Collins' husband was a director of a company involved in the illegal export of swamp kauri. That allegation was repeated in the media. Subsequently the allegation was proven false with those media involved having to publicly apologize and pay damages and costs.

Did Davis man-up and admit he got it wrong ... what do you think?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Legbut

The more discerning of you BBC4 listeners would have wondered aloud "How on earth did such a bunch of fat frumps and old boilers with nothing to offer but excess adipose tissue and brainlessness ever make it into the parliament of a civilized country?"

The Veteran said...

Andrew Berwick ... do you really believe your statement that 'Key wants to bring the crims home' ... rhetorical question I know but making the statement doesn't overly help with your own credibility.

Noel said...

said...


"Noel ... and you think Davis was going to brief Serco on the matter (especially If he were involved)?"

I don't know if he did but it doesn't matter because that information was available to all prior to the riot.

Timeline starts last month when Davis in media states there are some pissed off kiwis and they may riot.

This month
Iranians stage a protest.
Rebels and Indians choose the opportunity to riot.
Davis receives a text from an inmate not involved that a riot is kicking off.
Response team overpowered and leave the facility.

"Fact ... Davis predicted the prisoners were about to riot."

Man you draw some long bows. I doubt if there is anything there to cause an Aussie subpoena.




The Veteran said...

Noel ... as you said 'Davis in media states there are some pissed off Kiwis who may riot'.
Fact, they did and at this stage five have been identified as ringleaders and removed to a Perth 'supermax' for processing.

It is a legitimate question which I repeat again ... Did Davis encourage in any way, shape or form, either overtly or covertly, encourage the detainees to riot as a means of drawing attention to their plight. Not a particularly long bow and my advice from Perth is that the question is indeed being asked.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Oh dear. Te Tai Tokerau by-election coming up?

Noel said...

"my advice from Perth is that the question is indeed being asked."

Who is providing the advice and who asking the question?????

The Veteran said...

Noel ... a colleague who is in a position to know. Actually, if you think about it, it's really quite obvious the the authorities would want to explore cause and effect.

Noel said...

"..a colleague who is in a position to know".

I guess that's the last we will here from you on that.

Anonymous said...

Hes got zilt. An accusation strung together by a couple of coincidences.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... do you really think I'm going to name my source(s)? Anon ... and it is the 'coincidences' that prompted this.