Saturday, October 31, 2015

ON BEING A LABOUR MP

One of the fun things I enjoy about being a contributor to this blog is to write (mildly) provocative posts (sometimes with tongue in cheek) and then sit back and watch with amusement the Pavlovian reaction of some of the responders going feral. Better than Dads Army.

Among their little gems of wisdom was the interesting argument that no-one with wealth could ever be a true Labour supporter nor could they be a Lord.   The latter ignores the fact that the UK Parliament is bicameral with the 'Upper House' composed entirely of Lords consisting of 92 hereditary peers (down from 700) with the remainder appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister.   A sub-set of the former (albeit unstated although Corbyn is having a good go at it) is that true Labourites need to be 'working class' because only they can understand the needs and wants of the great unwashed.

Got me thinking ... just how many NZ Labour MPs might be considered as 'working class' defined as getting their hands dirty creating wealth/helping others in need as opposed to the chardonnay swilling type socialist pontificating from on high with the occasional foray into the flea markets to parade their working class credentials.     Did the research ... below is how they stack up divided into Working Class (WC) and Chardonnay Socialists (CS).    The order of appearance is taken from the Labour Party website.
  • Little - Trade Union lawyer (WC)
  • King - serial MP (CS)
  • Robertson - Diplomat (CS)
  • Mahuta - serial MP (CS)
  • Twyford - Oxfam (WC)
  • Hipkins - Parliamentary Service (CS)
  • Sepaloni - Health services (WC)
  • Davis - Teacher (WC)
  • Ardern - Policy wonk (CS)
  • Clark - Presbyterian Minister (CS)
  • Sio - Trade Unionist (WC)
  • Lees-Galloway - Privileged background/Kings College (CS)
  • Woods - Business Manager (CS)
  • Cunliffe - Business Consultant, Diplomat (CS)
  • Parker - Lawyer/failed businessman (CS)
  • Shearer - UN/NGO Relief worker (WC)
  • Goff - serial MP (CS)
  • Mallard - serial MP (CS)
  • Dyson - serial MP (CS) - in more ways than one.
  • O'Connor - Farmer/tourism operator (WC)
  • Cosgrove - Corporate Affairs (CS)
  • Moroney - Journo (CS)
  • Curran - Journo/Aust Council of Trade Unions (WC)
  • Faifoi - Journo (CS)
  • Wall - Policy wonk (CS)
  • Nash - Business Manager (CS)
  • Tirikatene - Maori Business Development/lawyer (CS) 
  • Whaitiri - Freezing worker/teacher (WC)
  • Williams - Health sector (WC)
  • Henare - his bio is all in Te Reo so don't know
  • Rurawhe - NZ Railways/Parliamentary Service (WC)
  • Salese - Lawyer/Heath/Educations sectors/Obama campaign worker (WC)
So, by my (generous) assessment only twelve NZ MPs may be considered working class and, of those, some of our responders have identified O'Connor as a right wing 'rich prick' traitor.    The remainder are effete chardonnay socialists who clearly fail the Corbyn test.

19 comments:

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Correction:-

Clark - failed Presbyterian Minister (CS)

Howie said...

Why do the right love divisive identity politics so much though? I suppose it's difficult to embrace diversity when your entire caucus are air-headed born-to-rule tory wankers (other than the crooks), but still.

The Veteran said...

Howie ... not me that opined re the Lord bit or the rich prick bit and if that's not identity politics, what is?

And, if you want to gibber on about a lack of diversity in the National Party caucus, try this for size .... doctors (real ones), teachers, lawyers, freezing worker, farmers, businessmen and businesswomen, academics, police prosecutors, local government Mayors, Deputy Mayors and Councillors, engineers, health managers, financial managers, nurses, management consultants, policemen, broadcasters, marketing managers, accountants, minister of religion, ICT manager, diplomats, scientist, travel consultants, social worker, army officer and DOC worker.

Slam dunk really.

Howie said...

Nah, they're all the same regardless of the specific swamp they crawled out of. Slimey, social-climbing, self promoting wankers all (other than the crooks and psychos, and you know who they are right?). They're all Aaron Gilmore, but with slightly more tact.

The Veteran said...

Howie ... feel better for that do you. Look, your mob's gene pool is so limited that one has to wonder why there hasn't been a prosecution taken under S130 of the Crimes Act.

And lets not even discuss which Party has managed to have a serving minister convicted DIC.

You want to play identity politics and I'll respond but really I'm more interested in knowing what Labour MPs the hard left of the Party want out as not representing the working classes (silly word). So far respondents have identified O'Connor, Cosgrove and Mallard ... any more?

Psycho Milt said...

It's a long way from "no-one with Lord in front of their name is a loss to the Labour Party" to "true Labourites need to be working class" - you no more need to be working class to be in the Labour Party than you need to be a farmer or employer to be in the National Party.

Anonymous said...


Yous should do the same for National.
Plenty there with not much better backgrounds apart from going to school or being a lawyer.

The Veteran said...

Anon ... I did. See above to Howie. Are you saying that the Labour mob didn't even make it through school? If so that's a bit unfair although I do remember a certain Labour politician who joked (I think) that his best years in school were the five he spent in standard five.

PM ... I have heard numerous Labour supporters bemoan the fact the very few of their MPs seem to speak their language and it may have even been you who identified O'Connor as a traitor (my words) to the cause.

Anonymous said...

It's reassuring to know that we are here for your amusement and like a puppet master you can jerk the strings in whatever direction you choose. I say reassuring because by your own admission you don't take our own posts seriously which of course is a relief because anyone who reduces the democratic process to personalities, tattle tale and ancient class prejudice is dangerous.

Just a question, why is National always good and Labour always bad?.......statistically impossible I would have thought.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

And you wonder why Corbyn is gathering popularity at a phenomenal rate. This on top of the Tax credit fiasco by the Tories.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-philip-davies-speaks-for-90-minutes-to-stop-carers-getting-free-hospital-parking-a6715641.html

My previous post I dropped a Y it should read YOUR not OUR.

The Veteran said...

Lord EN ... Just a variation on the Labour Good, National Bad, so beloved by those on the dark side of politics.

And, as for your assertion that Corbyn is "gathering popularity at a phenomenal rate" ... you wish. The latest YouGuv poll released just three days ago shows that he has slumped to negative 20 on the question 'Do you think Corbyn is doing 'well' or 'badly' as leader of the Labour Party' with 50% now saying badly and 20% 'don't knows'. The commentary has it this is a slump from the negative 8 recorded on 18 Sep and that while the number saying 'well' is virtually unchanged at 30%, the 'don't knows', now down to 20%, are breaking solidly against him.

In a separate question on Corbyn's character 37% (up 1%) saw him as "a man with extreme left wing views and unworkable policies who would be a threat to national security and the economy should he become PM".

So much for his popularity increasing at a phenomenal rate ... backwards yes.

November 1, 2015 at 11:22 AM Delete

Anonymous said...

Aah well while you are there reading the results of spurious polls taken in selected areas on the other side of the planet I'm walking the streets of Camden Town after good day for NZ but a bad day for my wallet. Also backed the Argies, bugger.

Being in the pubs and talking to real people particularly old friends beats 12,000 mile research any day, that's what I like about the Brits they are not reticent to discuss politics in the pub.

The Veteran said...

Anon ... Hmmmmmm Camden Town. Strong Labour tribal area immediately adjacent to Corbyn's Islington constituency. Quelle suprise people in pubs there like 'him'.

Well done on backing the ABs opponents twice ... sez much. Sad about your wallet not.

YouGov polls are right up there for accuracy most of the time. Their last poll on the 2015 UK election had it as too close to call at 34-34 but the final result at 37-31 was within the three points sampling error. They did however accurately predict the Labour rout in Scotland and the modest gains by Labour in central London.

Anonymous said...

Argentine, Sth Africa not Arg/NZ. Might be true if all I saw was the old Town. I'm getting the same vibes in Maidstone, Brighton and Dover.
You are a very unsympathetic man Veteran, my wallet is crying out for sympathy. Lend us tenner guv.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

The Veteran said...

MiLord ... maybe, just maybe, you talk to the wrong people but then again you might have picked up a massive shift to Labour which the polling companies have yet to discern. Guess we could argue the toss back and forth but suggest we wait and see the result in the Oldham West and Royton bi-election at a date tbc. Ok, it's a strong Labour seat with a 14,738 majority (won by a left wing MP now deceased identified as a Corbyn supporter) with UKIP in second place and the Conservatives third but the % shift will tell a story.

Sorry, read it wrong with you backing Argentina. Do your clear left wing sympathies mean that you are required to back the underdog?

Anonymous said...

This left and right, working class or toff etc... is just so much nonsense in 2015. The fact of the matter is that most of them, whichever trough they claim to swill in, are just useless deadbeats you wouldn't have on your lawn unless you were spraying weeds with something really toxic. A qualification or being rich does not make the man or woman good at the job or worth the time of day.

The latest Quadrant has an interesting article about English politics. There is a claim that people want to be in a minority and just protest about everything rather than be realistic, get into power and actually change things.

3:16

The Veteran said...

Anon 4.25 ... Agree 100% that this 'class' thing is all stuff and nonsense in 2015 but clearly Corbyn is comfortable with the polemic to whit his appointment of Andrew Fisher as his Chief Policy adviser ... same bloke who, at the time of general election, publicly urged voters to support the Class War Party in preference to Labour.

Anonymous said...

I have no allegiance to any team Veteran. Underdogs have better odds.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

Having reread the posts I do believe that "Howie" is being pavlovian in his reaction to your mildly provocative posts Veteran. In fact so pavlovian is he that he is in great danger of becoming boring, a worse crime than actually being right.