Wednesday, September 23, 2015

ON REFUGEES

Only the most insensitive among us can be unmoved by the 'refugee' crisis unfolding in middle Europe.   Have to say I am saddened by the stance taken by Whale-Oil and the like that NZL should turn a blind eye to what's happening.  

We are making a modest contribution as a good global citizen alongside countries like America, the UK and Australia based on a realistic assessment of our ability to manage the additional numbers over and above our annual refugee quota.   I have no truck with opposition parties who are playing the 'my number is bigger than your number' game.  In truth, they are political grandstanding pure and simple.   But, that's politics and that's part of the game ... except it's not a game.   We are dealing with human beings.

Refugees fall into two categories.   Genuine refugees fleeing from war and oppression and economic refugees hoping for a better life.   There is crossover between the two.   The refugees we take must fall into the former category.   The latter take their chance under the mandate of the UNHCR and our quota system.   The trick is getting it right; distinguishing one from the other.   I wish the government well in doing that.

And to those who say no way chucky, I say learn compassion.  


15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nope. When you come here from some hell hole created by your religion and/or culture we have a very direct discussion about religion and culture because what we have (clinging on by its fingernails mind you) is western civilisation. You may not have really encountered this before but you will learn to behave like it has been embraced or be deported. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

3:16

The Veteran said...

Anon ... and what about hell holes created by war? Are you arguing there is no such thing as a genuine refugee?

Noel said...

The UNHCR resettlement handbook New Zealand chapter clearly spells out the protocol between the NZ Government and the UN. In short they have to be assesed in accordance with the 1951 Refugee Act. Can't find economic refugees as a category anywhere.

Noel said...

They are economic immigrants not refugees. No wonder I could not find it. UNHCR is obligated to identify eligibility under Article 2 of the Convention of Refugees.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

How curious the crowds choose to march on to Germany, never mind Austria or even Green and Turkey.
Economic refugees they are, out to screw us for all they can, including the dad of that little lad in Turkey who had spent many month in Turkey before seeking that trip to Europe to get his teeth done.
We really do need to say no.
To all of them.

Anonymous said...

Well said Veteran. The views expressed by others here depend on what the last right wing sound bite told them.

A personal view is that until the EU take out Assad and install a new Government in Damascus this will spread. This monumental tragedy can be laid directly at the door of Dubya Bush and to a lesser extent Blair's war on terro.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Anonymous said...

Islam and the west = fundamentally incompatible. The simple answer is to close the border to them. All of them. I'm happy to help them see the error of their ways at home but am resistant to having to fight at home to, say, retain the word Christmas because the refugees don't like it. Laugh if you must but that's what it will come to. Europe is being invaded and the term "moderate" will be irrelevant.

3:16

Noel said...

It wont be the Government that will be determing who is eligible for the extended qouta. It will be UNHCR. You're asking the wrong people to get it right.

Anonymous said...

Whale Oil is getting more and more bitter in most things.
Sad but inevitable really. - he is being more selective as to whom he allows to blog - rather stupid.

JC said...

Not much point accepting more refugees if we leave 80% of them rotting on the dole.. thats 80% of *established* refugees compared to only 40% in the US. The figures come from the only formal study I could find in 2004.. not a bad employment year.

http://www.fulbright.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/axford2008_grogan.pdf

Scroll down to Figure Two.

JC

Noel said...

You must mean 70% given retrospective studies clearly show 30% leave New Zealand as soon as they are able.

JC said...

Well, that makes a really stunning case for accepting more refugees.. doesn't it.

JC

Noel said...

JC your study was 2004. MPI of 2013 using 2010 figures says
"42 percent of working-age former refugees had worked in the 7 days prior to taking part in the survey.

This compares to 73 percent of the New Zealand population aged 15–64.

You are right, but it was my understanding there was a heap of taxpayer money over the last four years, including hiring private contractors, to address this issue.

The Veteran said...

Oh that things were black and white ... they're not. The reality is that right now (forget the UNHCR handbook) there is huge cross-over between genuine refugees fleeing war and oppression and economic immigrants (if that's what you want to call them) seeking a better life. I repeat ... I have no difficulty with us accepting the quite modest numbers agreed to by govt subject to our ability to properly manage the process but the screening has to be robust so as to ensure they are the genuine article.

And there will be the inevitable ratbag in that number just as there are ratbag NZRs. Goes with the territory of being human beings. But I would hazard a guess that proportionally there are more ratbags per head of population among so called genuine NZRs than there are among the refugee population.

And we need to thank our lucky stars for that great big ditch out there.

Noel said...

We had a bad bunch of Iranians sometime back. An inordinate number now guests of Australian corrections.