Friday, June 26, 2015

Indigenous? (Updated)

I see Maori TV is helping fund an expedition to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

The excuse is, the reporting is focused on the indigenous people of the area, allegedly the residents of Gazza.  As far as I know there ain't much indigenous about that lot.  Read the Old Testament and you might get an idea of who is and who isn't indigenous.  Indolent and indigent they may be but indigenous, I doubt.

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TVNZ have the nerve to call this tub a 'ship.'   By the look of it, I reckon it would struggle tomake it from Java to Christmas Island on a calm day.

16 comments:

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

A quick look over the history of Gaza would indicate the Israelis have a better claim to be the 'indigenous' people of the area than the motley bunch of misbegotten wogs currently infesting the place..

Our Bros are backing the wrong horse again.

Ray said...

Pretty sure the bible suggests there were people already occupying Israel before the Jews arrived because they had to be cleared out
Jericho, walls falling etc

The Veteran said...

Suggest thyey read their history books and they would know that the Israeli Government and the IAF don't take kindly to cheap publicity stunts. Should the crew attempt to enter the exclusion zone then they would be well advised to have the lifeboats unshipped and ready for instant use ... and the liberal media will protest and the Israelis will give them the finger. These guys play for keeps ... been doing it now for 67 years.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

If these idiots are injured or killed, what responsibility does Maori TV carry for sending them off on such an escapade? Can the families sue? Did Maori TV equip them with body bags, just in case? (Flax ones, of course.)

Psycho Milt said...

The Israelis are mostly White settlers from Europe and America. Any claim they might make to being "indigenous" to that area are no more valid than yours or mine would be, regardless of how much you despise "wogs."

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Yes Milt. Gong home to their ancestral lands.

The Veteran said...

Milt ... It is generally agreed that the current affluence of Israel, its modern infrastructure and economy were developed by the Jews. The Palestinian narrative is that as the ancient, indigenous people of Palestine they feel dispossessed and they deserve to take over Israel’s riches.

Jewish claims to their heritage in the land of Israel are supported by abundant archaeological artifacts and historical records. Meanwhile, there are no records to support the Palestinian narrative. In history, art and literature there is no trace at all of any Muslim people referred to by anybody as 'Palestinians'.

In fact, before the State of Israel was born, the term “Palestinians” was used by the Jews to refer to themselves and their organizations. “The Palestine Post”, the Palestine Foundation Fund, Palestine Airways, and the Palestine Symphony Orchestra were all purely Jewish enterprises.

We first hear of Arabs referred to as “Palestinians” when Yasser Arafat established the “Palestine Liberation Organization” in 1964. It was only during the 1970s that the newly minted “Palestinians” began to promote their narrative through murder and assassination.

Howie said...

"It is generally agreed that the current affluence of Israel, its modern infrastructure and economy were developed by the Jews."

No it's not. Tote up the foreign aid and you get teh source of Israel's wealth.

"Jewish claims to their heritage in the land of Israel are supported by abundant archaeological artifacts and historical records. Meanwhile, there are no records to support the Palestinian narrative. In history, art and literature there is no trace at all of any Muslim people referred to by anybody as 'Palestinians'."

How do you get from there to a bunch of Eastern Europeans stealing land though?

"We first hear of Arabs referred to as “Palestinians” when Yasser Arafat established the “Palestine Liberation Organization” in 1964."

Wow, only a bit younger than the state of Israel itself then. Thanks. Whose side are you on though?

The Veteran said...

Howie ... you see it your way, I'll see it mine. Your logic is fascinating though ... just how the original inhabitants stole their land sure beats me. It is generally agreed that that Islam dates from about 620 AD while the Jews would claim a lineage that stretches back to Adam and Eve based on the 'Holy lands'.

Whatever, the Jews as the first peoples of 'Palestine' have history on their side and your attempt to narrative them out by straw men argument (Jews returning to Israel from Europe - just where do you think they originally came from - outer space?) is specious indeed.

But do keep up the fine tradition exhibited by those from the dark side of politics who enjoy criticising Israel ... Hone H, John M and the other rent-a-mob(sters) will be proud of you ... and, while your're at it, you could further brighten up your day by daubing a few tombstones in the local Jewish cemetery nearest you with swastikas ... that should make you feel good too.

Howie said...

"It is generally agreed that that Islam dates from about 620 AD while the Jews would claim a lineage that stretches back to Adam and Eve based on the 'Holy lands'."

Gee that's a convenient line to run isn't it. They left for a couple of millennia but somehow still kept dibs on it so that their extraordinarily distant relatives living in Eastern Europe could come and take it by force whenever they felt like it and enablers like you would cheer them on.

"You could further brighten up your day by daubing a few tombstones in the local Jewish cemetery nearest you with swastikas ... that should make you feel good too."

Um OK, and you go fuck yourself, you disingenuous, offensive, dribbling rightard. It's not my side of the fence that's in favour of religiously based mass deportations and imprisonment, it's yours.

The Veteran said...

Gueez Howie ... I like it when you're mad. BTW ... over heard of Boko Haram?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Howie is a shining example of the leftists ability to have the end justify the means - no matter how extreme.

I wonder if he would personally stone his own daughter to death should she come out in support of Israel?

Psycho Milt said...

Veteran: the actual Palestinian narrative is that European colonists had no right to come and take their country off them - let's not make straw-man narratives out of bullshit. As in NZ's case, there's no way the European colonists and their descendents are going back where they came from, but also as in NZ's case, there's no disputing which is the 'indigenous' population.

Also: every bunch of Europeans who've ever colonised another country have come up with what they consider to be excellent reasons why the original inhabitants didn't really have a genuine claim to the place, hadn't done anything useful with it and generally should just be glad that Whitey turned up to teach them the meaning of civilisation. Unsurprisingly, the original inhabitants never find this bullshit as satisfying as the colonists do.

Howie said...

"I wonder if he would personally stone his own daughter to death should she come out in support of Israel?"

Is it age and encroaching senility which leads you to excrete these pearls of nonsense, or have you always just been a total fuckwad?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Enjoy your holiday, Howie.

The Veteran said...

PM ... you ignore the fact that there have always been Jews in Palestine ... a significant number that never left. Sure, some did but others didn't and so remain truly indigenous people.