Saturday, November 8, 2014

THIS FOR JAMIE

Our 'friend' has been banging on for a little while now on ISIS and ISIL (threadjacking notwithstanding) so Jamie, here's your chance to hold forth (or fifth) but, first of all, could I commend to you all the article by John Armstrong in today's Herald where he blasts the Greens for their utter failure  to understand how to respond intelligently to the issue.      You can read his opinion piece here.     The final sentence is instructive .... "And they have been taught a lesson that being in Opposition is not solely a matter of opposition for opposition's sake".  

Now to Jamie and a word to the wise old son.     Over the top rhetoric does nothing to advance your cause (if in fact you have a cause).   In the lead up to last Wednesday you were rabbiting on about how NZL was going to war. However, when push came to shove, it appears the Government is focusing on the provision of a training team to help develop Iraqi military capability coupled with additional resources to the anti-piracy multi national force operating in and around Somalia in order to free up other capability already there for possible deployment against ISIS/ISIL.

And now you are postulating that this modest and balanced response could result in service families being targeted by Islamic fundamentalist extremists.    My response.    Possibly so, there are home grown extremists out there.    But were we to use that as the excuse not to become involved then we are surrendering to the threat of terrorism.     I for one refuse to go down that path.    And I say that as the father-in-law of a senior NZDF officer intimately involved in planning for this operation.    And I say that as the father of a son who has just completed a distinguished career in the British Army where he served in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Afghanistan and Iraq where he was decorated by the Americans.    Real soldiers don't surrender to the threat of terriorism.

All war is shitty and certainly war is not black and white.   Bad things happen.   Soldiers accept that.   It goes with the territory.   But for good men to stand back and do nothing in the face of evil and you are surrendering to the forces of darkness.    That is not our way ... and we don't, as some would have it, live in a benign strategic environment.


    

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes I have full faith in the capabilities of Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee...
{Sarcasm}

Jamie said...

***Jamie

The Veteran said...

Anon 3.35 ... for years the Defence portfolio (under both National and Labour administrations) has been held by relatively junior ministers. Outcomes have reflected that.

Brownlee is not a junior minister. He is part of the tight five (or whatever). Certainly as Earthquake Recovery Minister he is credited as having done a fine job. Before the election Labour was rabbiting on how the people of ChCh would deal to National because of Brownlee. Come the election and the reverse happened.

I prefer to withhold judgement but clearly you've already made up your mind (I'm not sure based on what).

Jamie said...

That blokes not fit for command

pdm said...

Better Brownlee than anyone from the left.

In fact from that side of the house only Shearer and Ron Mark would have the slightest clue on how to do the job and they would be quickly dragged down by the rest of the rabble.

Jamie said...

You forgot NZ First Darroch Ball,
He was an officer in the NZ Army...

We are in more trouble than I thought if Brownlee is the best we can muster...

Psycho Milt said...

Armstrong , as usual, comes across as a pompous blowhard. He's clearly well aware that National would commit us to war for the sake of keeping up appearances, and the only reason they haven't is that Farrar's polling on their behalf shows voters wouldn't like it - as well they shouldn't like it. "Everyone else is going" is a thoroughly crap reason for going to war.

Despite being aware of the poor governance involved in National's approach to this, he chooses (again, as usual) to lambast the Greens for actually having some principles and sticking to them.

On this issue, the Greens are absolutely right. From 2003 onwards, military action in the Middle East by western states has made things worse rather than better, and this case will be no exception. If that weren't reason enough not to participate, there's the sheer foolishness of committing troops to an open-ended conflict without clear goals, no definition of victory and no exit plan - if nothing else, our 13-year participation in Afghanistan should have taught us that. Finally, there's the fact that the best propaganda tool Muslim extremists have is Whitey going to Muslim countries to kill Muslims - we really should strip them of that tool. They're still going to try and murder us in our own countries when they can, but that's a matter for the police and intelligence services, not the armed services.

rivoniaboy said...

Well reasoned Milt!
One of your better posts.

Jamie said...

Time are tough, if your son is looking for work maybe he could try G6S...

http://nationalreport.net/us-company-hiring-mercenaries-to-kill-isis-starting-pay-500kyr/

Sounds to good to be true to me...

Veteran you haven't addressed what we are going to do about ISIS in New Zealand...

You say it's possible service families may come under attack.
What are we going to do to protect them???

What are we gonna do to destroy ISIS in NZ???

ISIS seems like a protected species in NZ to me...

All your Johnny Boi want to do erode our civil liberties by spying on people, cancelling passports, signing the TPPA, and banning fireworks,...

{Puke}

Gee while we are at it why, Bill O'Reilly's gonna win The War On Terror for us...

http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/09/bill-oreilly-is-pissed-that-stephen-colbert-mocked-his-plan-of-using-a-mercenary-army-to-fight-isis/

http://wonkette.com/561268/bill-oreilly-recruiting-mercenaries-to-win-the-war-on-terror-enlist-now

What could go wrong???
Safe hands I tell ya,
Safe hands...



The Veteran said...

PM ... the Greens mantra of holding hands while singing kumbayah is no answer, it's a cop out from a Party that is based on cop outs. Yes, you can stick your head ostrich like in the sand and pretend nothings happening or you can stand with the community of nations and say say enough is enough .... we refuse to recognize the legitimacy of a state where Sharia law rules supreme with all that implies and the norms of civilized society matter nowt.

You decline to make a stand and you are effectively endorsing terrorism.

Jamie ... it may come as a terrible shock to you but the role of intelligence agencies like the GCSB and SIS is to monitor/counter terrorist threats in NZL.
That's their task ... that's what they're doing ... made more difficult by those who seek to hobble them at every turn.

Seems to me you are aligning yourself with that motley crew.

As for your tirade against banning fireworks. Perhaps I need to introduce you to David S. Blind in one eye and severe facial scaring caused when a sky rocket went rogue. David is coming on seven. Don't think he shares your views.

Jamie said...

You're projecting Veteran, and ignoring my legitimate concerns about the threat posed to soldiers and their families in NZ.

I repeat my question..

What are we gonna do to destroy ISIS in NZ???

"It may come as a terrible shock to you but the role of intelligence agencies like the GCSB and SIS is to monitor/counter terrorist threats in NZL."

Could of fooled me...